David Fincher's serial killer chat 'em up MINDHUNTER

yeah she def reminds me of Julia in Man in High Castle

I kept thinking “is that the same... wait, no. maybe?”

Love this show

Posts at the top of the thread about Debbie really wide of the mark (not sure if someone addressed this yet as I’m catching up on the thread but the connection between attitudes toward women of serial killers and non killlers is well illustrated ... and surely fincher, the director of “gone girl,” would be aware of the “cool girl” archetype? Lol)

Have to say, ep 8 is really weak with the tickling bs as is 9 with needless relationship drama. Netflix : just make the season 8 eps instead of 10 if you’ve run out of pertinent plot points.

― calstars, Saturday, 25 November 2017 00:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

its not 'needless' the relationship drama is very much essential imo, though they haven't fully made the connection it creates a counterpoint to the continuum of male sexual violence imo

i like the Debbie character, i agree on some of the criticisms of her character being wide of the mark. i actually love their first meeting a lot, i like the whole R-rated Bogie/Bacall banter in the bar.

i think she works as a way of underlining the way his work is affecting his personality, through his changes in behaviour towards her over time

i mean by the time they break up, even the way he looks at her let alone speaks to her, it’s like he’s gone dead inside, it’s so eerie

I think, like a lot of the shifts in relationships/behaviours throughout, it's handled pretty clumsily and in a this-needs-to-happen-now kind of way

But it was a lovely thing at the start

yes plus i think his treatment of her is in line with his entire M.O. of being right the whole time and being caught up in his own analytical head.

i don't find her especially unrealistic tbh, not any moreso than anyone else on the show.

i know there’s a better way to put it but it’s like she’s the canary in the coalmine to know that he’s lost himself in his job

I think it works on the obvious level of him not spending as much time on his relationship as he does his work, but it’s also about how the work has made clear how complicated his relationship w her is; I think, he’s recognizing how much of the shit he’s dealing w at work is a logical extension of the beliefs of men generally in their relationships w women

maybe that’s not the intent but imo it’s the effect, and it’s what makes this about everything & not just some niche criminal interest

i think her comment to Wendy that Holden isn't intimidated by being around smarter women and Wendy's reply that "men say that but rarely mean it" is an important moment and not a throwaway, and i think Debbie's response to *that* saying "He really does mean it" is misleading in the larger sense of the show, because Wendy's reply is essential to Holden and his relationship w/Debbie.

also Holden's relationship w/Wendy herself too.

btw, Holt McCallany in Creepshow 2

https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdvncdJzeO1qedb29o1_500.gif

oh my god that rules

:D

I watched it a third time! I had something interesting to say about something but I forget what it was. The less interesting thing is how good the Speck scene was. A terrifying dude, and the entire rhythm and editing of that conversation combined with his manner of speaking was master class.

totally agree

Real Crime Profile podcast (hosted by former FBI profiler & a former Scotland Yard criminal behavioural analyst) has a new Mindhunter episode- great breakdown & insight real life aspects of the show

https://wondery.com/wondery/shows/realcrimeprofile/

not sure, but I only recently found out she's the daughter of paul gross and martha burns

I found out a few years ago that Holt McCallany's mother was Julie Wilson!!!

Anyway, I just started watching this.

Ok, dying that whoever painted Wendy's new apartment was obviously inspired by the Caldor logo.

Real Crime Profile podcast (hosted by former FBI profiler & a former Scotland Yard criminal behavioural analyst) has a new Mindhunter episode- great breakdown & insight real life aspects of the show

https://wondery.com/wondery/shows/realcrimeprofile/

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, January 4, 2018 11:08 AM (one week ago)

this is great so far - listening to the second episode now. is Criminal Minds worth watching?

the first 2 seasons with Mandy Patinkin were great ... Joe Mantegna joined s3 & there was quite a drop off dramatically for me personally. But it was still ok for a while

"great" is a hell of a stretch

dude it’s an opinion i’m not speaking for society or all tv viewers everywhere

i really loved the first 2 seasons and *i* thought they were grear

great

it’s still inherently a network primetime drama so you kinda have to be ok with that to start with.

even entertaining might be enough tbph and I am fond of patinkin

and greg from dharma & greg is in it
also xander from buffy shows up later on
lotta good characters

PROCEDURE!!!!!!!!

also i am a fool for police procedurals, certainly including network shows, but criminal minds was not actually watchable

which puts it in a class with csi miami

kemper

i know someone who talks just like this actor's performance, i'll have to not think about it the next time i see him

just finished this, liked it a lot overall. there is so much sensationalized serial killer drama inundating the media that it was somewhat refreshing to see the characters in the show unfamiliar with and horrified by the entire concept. i think the show made a good point about just how numb our society has grown to violence. holden's unflappable demeanor and his willingness to delve into the killer's mind is something that we expect from a cop show, but it was a nice touch to see holden's colleagues' disgust at how easily it came to him. i've seen a lot of complaining about the finale around the interwebs, but really it just felt to me like another episode of the show? anyway, i'm looking forward to season 2, where hopefully they'll do a little bit more mindhunting, instead of merely mindvestigating.

Debbie's jumpsuit in the first episode is better than almost the entire middle of this series.

halfway in I will say Holt McCallany as Fred Ward is A+
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.)

Through four episodes--liking it fine, not Zodiac-level yet. I'm glad I can stop obsessing over who Holt McCallany reminds me of, though. Evidently I had completely forgotten what "Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft" sounds like; "That's great," I thought, before having to look up what it was.

(I think he's like a cross between Ward and J.T. Walsh.)

Love how Fleetwood Mac's "Albatross" was used. Fleetwood Mac has now had great scenes in the last three series I've watched (also The Americans and Big Little Lies).

The tickling principal episode--which was fascinating in and of itself; they walked the line perfectly there--tackled something hard to capture and did it exceedingly well: what it's like to have your life momentarily fall apart, not from anything momentous, but confusingly, from casual betrayal and an unexpectedly collapsing support system. Tench and Carr line up against Holden; he's usually the bridge between those two, so that stings. That, and all is not well with Debbie. He's trying to do the right thing, and he seems completely alone and lost at the end. (Woody Allen pulled off something similar in Hannah and Her Sisters, the moment where Mia Farrow lies in bed and tries to figure out how everything fell apart.)

yeah I agree. It's not so much the events themselves as what Holden is grappling with that made me find that episode really interesting.

on the podcast for that ep (the one veg recommended) the fbi profiler and scotland yard profiler were both adamant that it was grooming behavior and holden was 100% right.

jim & laura 4 ever

The next episode also ends with everybody shutting doors on Holden (the Richard Speck episode--have to admit, I got a momentary thrill when it was clear they were on their way to interview Speck). First Fincher-directed episode since the first couple.

This is a very unusual series; quite immersed in it right now.

Finale: And now it came at last: George Amberson Minafer had got his comeuppance. He'd got it three times filled and running over.

They've basically Don Drapered Holden at this point; he's alienated everyone (I hated him for the first time during his interview with the majorette killer), and he'll have to spend at least the first episode of Season 2 grovelling his way back into everyone's good graces.

Season 2 details: eight episodes, two directed by Fincher, two by Andrew Dominik, four by Carl Franklin.

👍🏻

Carl Franklin did a couple of the best House of Cards (I remember making note of that); also did a few Leftovers, although I don't remember which ones.

So apparently the show is going to be doing some shooting in the greater Pittsburgh area and they put out casting calls for paid extras to play "hippies, protestors, students and FBI agents." They're doing one casting call at a popular concert venue about 15 minutes from me. I would love to do something like this!

http://mindhuntercasting.com/MINDHUNTER-CASTING/mindhunter.html

S2 filming just wrapped

i'm probably going to give this a screening again before S2 hits (maybe in spring, early summer??) I'm still amazed at how much they managed to put into the first episode, going all the way from the incident at the beginning to Holden and Bill's argument in the car, and so much in between.

I always forget this scene, because it leads directly without break into the first scene with Debbie, but I like the conversation between Holden and the lecturer in the bar. It's *extremely* on the nose, but in a way I enjoy because I suspect it's how those dudes would actually talk about the subject, and it's a good setup for Holden's increasing interest in this kind of violent crime study.

too much of this is on-the-nose tbh im not sure ill bother with s2 altho theres a lot to like