if only Oliver did a long sit down in which he tried to humanize and *understand* the "build the wall" crowd like every other news outlet did
― frogbs, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link
DJP bringing major OTMness here
― didgeridon't (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link
Hoffman pulled his regular old "BUT I WAS IN TOOTSIE!" card. I will defer to Teri Garr's brilliant AV Club interview regarding that. https://t.co/KyM9ZmqFKr pic.twitter.com/IsJbQSxCMX— Tyler Coates (@tylercoates) December 5, 2017
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
at least in Tootsie the joke's on the Hoffman character. NO surprise that Hoffman's this self-absorbed in real life.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 16:54 (six years ago) link
That Teri Garr interview is great
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
DJP otm, Whiney has the weirdest priorities
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:06 (six years ago) link
It's nice to fantasize about the thing that annoys you the most being proportionately responsible for everything wrong with the world. Sometimes when someone rudely cuts me off in traffic I want their entire family to disown them in that moment.
― Evan, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link
I disagree with frogbs, but derailing this thread is nagl, so let's get back on thread
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:41 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm not going to argue anymore about this on this thread, so meet me somewhere else or save your breath
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 5, 2017 11:43 AM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link
"last word!" - Whiney
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
the Democrats shitting on their constituents for 40 years = total nonfactor as always
BACK TO TOPIC
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link
I'd say that counts as assault
― Evan, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:35 (six years ago) link
I really didn't know anything about Dustin Hoffman other than he was a good actor; all of this is... "disappointing" isn't the right word but I don't have a better one. Like, he wasn't a role model I aspired to but he was an innocuous-seeming guy who gave a bunch of performances I've enjoyed and, while I have no reason to assume that generic people are generally good given the absence of any other information, I don't remember hearing or reading any stories about him being "difficult" which I translated internally to "this isn't someone who is going to go on record as being an ass about things".
The idea that walking around dressed as Tootsie gave him insight into what it was like to be a woman is the most ridiculous, shallow thing.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
Hoffman was another case where the stuff was already out there: that old Meryl Streep interview where she describes him groping her as they met for the first time
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
Not disputing that the info was there, just saying that I didn't remember seeing it.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
tbh Dustin Hoffman isn't an actor I think about all that much
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
he's great in a bunch of movies *and* the stories I've read about him (cf Kramer vs. Kramer) have generally painted a picture of an asshole. Not unusual.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 18:11 (six years ago) link
I don't remember hearing or reading any stories about him being "difficult"
He's had the reputation for being EXTREMELY difficult for years! William Goldman's Adventures in the Screen Trade has a number of anecdotes about Hoffman that make him out to be a total jerk to work with, and Tootsie was apparently the nightmare shoot to end all nightmare shoots because of his bad behaviour on set.
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
had the same impression with Spacey - kinda disappointed but not that surprised
― Nhex, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link
what I like about the Oliver/Hoffman exchange is really just that it ~happened~. I am not certain how successful it was but people at Hoffman’s level of will never talk openly about this if they are prepped beforehand.Again, I dunno that it achieved much especially in that setting but I like the attempt
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:13 (six years ago) link
the Spacey thing was weird to me, because I'd heard the rumors for so many years and there were so many of them that I figured they had to be true. like every "share your celebrity encounter" article/thread always seemed to have one predatory anecdote about Kevin Spacey
― frogbs, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
xp yeah i love that Oliver did that, even if he bugs me, i dont give a fuck, what he did absolutely rules i had no idea about Hoffman's reputation as difficult, his comments are pretty stupid & insane especially re: Tootsie
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link
I dunno. Sure there's racism aplenty and more than enough to occupy us for uncounted decades ahead. But can you just let the groped women have their moment? kthxbye.
Wow, Aimless, the point flew so far over your head it veered into outer space
IOW that is a shitty oblivious asshole thing for you to say
― just1n3, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:40 (six years ago) link
Tootsie is in part about Hoffman the actor's insufferability on set
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:41 (six years ago) link
yes, he inspired his own character
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link
Tootsie is also a majorly bad film - fewer jokes than you remember, and too much shouting
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
I will take this scene forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnHqiipcw6g
(But it's the only thing I've watched from it in years and years.)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:54 (six years ago) link
from Dec '82 on, has never seemed like any kind of masterpiece to me. Good and shallow comedy.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:55 (six years ago) link
yeah it's fun but Morbz is correct
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:58 (six years ago) link
Anyway, fuck Hoffman, yay Oliver, etc.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link
Anyway, more on the National Enquirer/Us Weekly bro
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/national-enquirer-dylan-howard-sexual-misconduct-allegations_us_5a2704b5e4b06007f6b57303
Former employees of American Media Inc., which owns seven tabloids, told the AP that the company’s chief content officer, Dylan Howard, openly discussed his sex life, talked about female employees’ sex lives and forced women to watch or listen to pornographic material.Howard left the company in 2012 after it launched an investigation into his behavior. He was later rehired with a promotion and worked out of the company’s New York office.
Howard left the company in 2012 after it launched an investigation into his behavior. He was later rehired with a promotion and worked out of the company’s New York office.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, December 5, 2017 4:53 PM
this is the rongest thing I've ever read on ILE.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:23 (six years ago) link
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius)
yes, a shallow masterpiece
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:24 (six years ago) link
Guess who’s Dustin Hoffman’s agent?My assailant @WME ‘s Adam Venit. If I wrote this in a movie you’d call it ridiculous.ABUSERS PROTECT ABUSERS https://t.co/pBid0CInoe— terrycrews (@terrycrews) December 5, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
(There is a tendency in this culture for people to far overpraise white men when they happen to make public their stumbling onto a non-troglodytic opinion—because white men are still, after all this bullshit, the "standard," and so I guess is the assumption of their bad opinions. The "John Oliver is a gold standard feminist" huzzah-ing in the wake of last nigh is ABSOLUTELY an incidence of that.)
― maura, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:44 (six years ago) link
*night
That is definitely the most frustrating part of all of this, going right back to what Hannibal Buress did. Oh, the men are speaking out so now you're all listening? OK then.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:46 (six years ago) link
the opinion of 1 man > countless women howling into the void :(
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:49 (six years ago) link
yep
that one woman who talked to the netflix guy at the youth soccer game is the exception that proves the rule
― maura, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:52 (six years ago) link
I assumed the entirety of praise was because he confronted someone accused in such a public setting
― Evan, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link
that stuff on The Graduate DVD came out years ago and no one said boo
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link
here’s a useful thread on this subtopic for those confused about the eye rolling
lmao a few years ago john oliver didn’t know why it was fucked up that there were no women at the daily show stop praising men for doing the bare minimum male feminism is a sham thank you for playing https://t.co/Q5f2D7cddi https://t.co/eWaFiKqxSS— Aminatou Sow (@aminatou) December 5, 2017
― maura, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:15 (six years ago) link
huh was Samantha Bee out of town for that event or something
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:21 (six years ago) link
not that it matters but i think kristin schall performed at that show
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:25 (six years ago) link
tbh calling John Oliver a "gold standard" anything is really asking for it.
idk how many women worked on the Daily Show but I know it isn't zero. Whether or not there is/was adequate representation on-staff I don't really know.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:28 (six years ago) link
Sounds like the '08 roast of Matt Lauer got pretty weird:
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/12/05/media-elite-laughed-at-2008-roast-sending-matt-lauer-s-pervy-behavior.amp.html
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:29 (six years ago) link
Daily show was created by lizz winstead wasn’t it Xp
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:30 (six years ago) link
we're linking to Fox News now?
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:31 (six years ago) link
Didn't know that was verboten
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:33 (six years ago) link
The original Tony Ortega Voice piece they link to has a lot of it, but there's more details in this one. In sum: it's a roast but even for a roast it's a really fucking gross roast, the more so in obvious retrospect.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:34 (six years ago) link
xxp all the quotes in the Fox News article are sourced from a Village Voice writeup of the roast in 2008. yes, despite the url its not fayyke nyews
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:45 (six years ago) link