what I like about the Oliver/Hoffman exchange is really just that it ~happened~. I am not certain how successful it was but people at Hoffman’s level of will never talk openly about this if they are prepped beforehand.Again, I dunno that it achieved much especially in that setting but I like the attempt
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:13 (six years ago) link
the Spacey thing was weird to me, because I'd heard the rumors for so many years and there were so many of them that I figured they had to be true. like every "share your celebrity encounter" article/thread always seemed to have one predatory anecdote about Kevin Spacey
― frogbs, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
xp yeah i love that Oliver did that, even if he bugs me, i dont give a fuck, what he did absolutely rules i had no idea about Hoffman's reputation as difficult, his comments are pretty stupid & insane especially re: Tootsie
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link
I dunno. Sure there's racism aplenty and more than enough to occupy us for uncounted decades ahead. But can you just let the groped women have their moment? kthxbye.
Wow, Aimless, the point flew so far over your head it veered into outer space
IOW that is a shitty oblivious asshole thing for you to say
― just1n3, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:40 (six years ago) link
Tootsie is in part about Hoffman the actor's insufferability on set
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:41 (six years ago) link
yes, he inspired his own character
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link
Tootsie is also a majorly bad film - fewer jokes than you remember, and too much shouting
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
I will take this scene forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnHqiipcw6g
(But it's the only thing I've watched from it in years and years.)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:54 (six years ago) link
from Dec '82 on, has never seemed like any kind of masterpiece to me. Good and shallow comedy.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:55 (six years ago) link
yeah it's fun but Morbz is correct
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:58 (six years ago) link
Anyway, fuck Hoffman, yay Oliver, etc.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link
Anyway, more on the National Enquirer/Us Weekly bro
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/national-enquirer-dylan-howard-sexual-misconduct-allegations_us_5a2704b5e4b06007f6b57303
Former employees of American Media Inc., which owns seven tabloids, told the AP that the company’s chief content officer, Dylan Howard, openly discussed his sex life, talked about female employees’ sex lives and forced women to watch or listen to pornographic material.Howard left the company in 2012 after it launched an investigation into his behavior. He was later rehired with a promotion and worked out of the company’s New York office.
Howard left the company in 2012 after it launched an investigation into his behavior. He was later rehired with a promotion and worked out of the company’s New York office.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, December 5, 2017 4:53 PM
this is the rongest thing I've ever read on ILE.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:23 (six years ago) link
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius)
yes, a shallow masterpiece
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:24 (six years ago) link
Guess who’s Dustin Hoffman’s agent?My assailant @WME ‘s Adam Venit. If I wrote this in a movie you’d call it ridiculous.ABUSERS PROTECT ABUSERS https://t.co/pBid0CInoe— terrycrews (@terrycrews) December 5, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
(There is a tendency in this culture for people to far overpraise white men when they happen to make public their stumbling onto a non-troglodytic opinion—because white men are still, after all this bullshit, the "standard," and so I guess is the assumption of their bad opinions. The "John Oliver is a gold standard feminist" huzzah-ing in the wake of last nigh is ABSOLUTELY an incidence of that.)
― maura, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:44 (six years ago) link
*night
That is definitely the most frustrating part of all of this, going right back to what Hannibal Buress did. Oh, the men are speaking out so now you're all listening? OK then.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:46 (six years ago) link
the opinion of 1 man > countless women howling into the void :(
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:49 (six years ago) link
yep
that one woman who talked to the netflix guy at the youth soccer game is the exception that proves the rule
― maura, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:52 (six years ago) link
I assumed the entirety of praise was because he confronted someone accused in such a public setting
― Evan, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link
that stuff on The Graduate DVD came out years ago and no one said boo
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link
here’s a useful thread on this subtopic for those confused about the eye rolling
lmao a few years ago john oliver didn’t know why it was fucked up that there were no women at the daily show stop praising men for doing the bare minimum male feminism is a sham thank you for playing https://t.co/Q5f2D7cddi https://t.co/eWaFiKqxSS— Aminatou Sow (@aminatou) December 5, 2017
― maura, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:15 (six years ago) link
huh was Samantha Bee out of town for that event or something
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:21 (six years ago) link
not that it matters but i think kristin schall performed at that show
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:25 (six years ago) link
tbh calling John Oliver a "gold standard" anything is really asking for it.
idk how many women worked on the Daily Show but I know it isn't zero. Whether or not there is/was adequate representation on-staff I don't really know.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:28 (six years ago) link
Sounds like the '08 roast of Matt Lauer got pretty weird:
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/12/05/media-elite-laughed-at-2008-roast-sending-matt-lauer-s-pervy-behavior.amp.html
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:29 (six years ago) link
Daily show was created by lizz winstead wasn’t it Xp
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:30 (six years ago) link
we're linking to Fox News now?
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:31 (six years ago) link
Didn't know that was verboten
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:33 (six years ago) link
The original Tony Ortega Voice piece they link to has a lot of it, but there's more details in this one. In sum: it's a roast but even for a roast it's a really fucking gross roast, the more so in obvious retrospect.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:34 (six years ago) link
xxp all the quotes in the Fox News article are sourced from a Village Voice writeup of the roast in 2008. yes, despite the url its not fayyke nyews
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 December 2017 23:45 (six years ago) link
I think Lizz Winstead (who yes, created the show) left partly because Craig Kilborn was such a fucking fratty douche.
― akm, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 00:06 (six years ago) link
"She quit in 1998 shortly after Kilborn told Esquire magazine, “To be honest, Lizz does find me very attractive. If I wanted her to blow me, she would.”:
― akm, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 00:07 (six years ago) link
that aminitow sow's twitter feed is exactly why I try to never go on twitter
― akm, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 00:09 (six years ago) link
The NYT crew that broke the original Weinstein story has a massive new one up
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/05/us/harvey-weinstein-complicity.html
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 00:33 (six years ago) link
Suffice to say Bob Weinstein, among many others, are about to be fully shredded.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 00:34 (six years ago) link
2 months tomorrow since the first story ran
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 01:30 (six years ago) link
Kinda want to take back some shit I said about the NYT but don’t want to give K3v the satisfaction. Aaaaarrrrgh.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 01:48 (six years ago) link
Ugh the new NYT piece just puts me right back in the same place as those first stories. His actions are abject & terrifying... but the network he’s created to enable it is just as frightening. And I dont mean frightening that it exists. I took that as a given. I mean frightening to think about drawb in by that network, being assaulted, and then smothered by that network. Being pursued. Being paid off. Being pushed into the dirty laundry cart & sent down the chute with such efficiency that you are only realizing on the way down that you are not just one. You are one of many. Hundreds. And there is a PROCEDURE for handling you and your damaged life. Thinking about what that feels like makes me feel so afraid and angry and hurt.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 05:08 (six years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-am-a-victim-of-sexual-harassment-and-i-want-you-to-question-my-story/2017/12/05/e4bc780a-d626-11e7-a986-d0a9770d9a3e_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.2bd3d4ac2247
said like a true academic
― j., Wednesday, 6 December 2017 05:23 (six years ago) link
fucking usc of course
― the late great, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 07:11 (six years ago) link
person of the year!!!!1111
https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/12/06/poy-2017-cover_vert-f1543ad0e414ef2a31d9b0e95c3d100a62eeee91-s900-c85.jpg
in what way was Taylor a silence breaker? I thought she'd been dissing exes in her songs for years.
― Ludo, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 13:31 (six years ago) link
I have uh mixed feelings about her being on there (vs dozens of others who had a lot more to lose).
― Simon H., Wednesday, 6 December 2017 13:32 (six years ago) link
uh do you not remember the trial from earlier this yearhttp://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/jury-sides-with-taylor-swift-in-groping-trial-w497780alternately you could you know. click the link
― maura, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 13:32 (six years ago) link
sure other people had more to lose and one could say that focusing on celebrities and the rich and those in the culture industry, as much of the press has done, only results in a fraction of the problem being examined. but her trial shone a light on a toxic culture in radio, one that absolutely gets beamed out to listeners and helps put america in an ever more retrogressive place
― maura, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 13:34 (six years ago) link
like the manboyism of radio is something that isn’t discussed much because it’s “what the market wants.” which should make it an even more crucial topic of inquiry
― maura, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 13:35 (six years ago) link
I knew about the trial. It's just a little odd to see her sharing space with women who had to act out against people with markedly more power than they had. But yes, there are certainly worse topics to make a calculated appeal to a broader audience like this with.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 6 December 2017 13:42 (six years ago) link
ah i missed the trial.
we had our 'own' Dutch case of radio manboyism this week (http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/05/dutch-radio-station-apologises-streaker-prank-leaves-singer-tears-7134264/)
― Ludo, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 13:45 (six years ago) link
Yeah morning zoo crew culture is perpetually stuck on 1990, it's weird when I listen every now and then, same old schtick descended from Stern and a zillion small market losers killing time between Aerosmith and whatever
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 14:01 (six years ago) link