the extent to which people fetishize the good old days of "sophistication", "wit"
we know you don't admire those qualities even w/out the quotes!
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 15 May 2009 20:52 (fifteen years ago) link
nice xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxpost
― neu hollywood (Eric H.), Saturday, 16 May 2009 15:32 (fifteen years ago) link
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― Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 16 May 2009 16:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Found this used for $7! I'm fighting sleep just to make it to the next page. Very gripping throughout choked with tons of amazing stories/factoids. Bout 1/4 of the way through and I have some reservations. But overall, fantastic book! Thanx for the tip, Eric H.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 06:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Great, though I imagine you're going to really loathe the section describing the Oscarcast that year. Harris really lets the facade drop and comes out cheerleading for the new gen.
― nu hollywood (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 12:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Very entertaining book.
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 12:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Finally got tired of waiting for my local library to get a loaner copy of the Harris book, bought a copy Friday.
― unicorn poop evaluator (WmC), Monday, 8 June 2009 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link
OK I've finished this and I thought the cheerleading was actually quite muted (save for the very last paragraph). Or rather, it comes through less in any specific statements of Harris' than in the structure of the book, i.e., what he chose to leave out. The truncated epilogue creates the illusion of a revolution more than anything in the book. So reading it was an absolute pleasure. It's only now, recollecting the argument in its entirety, that I feel snippy. In short, revolution my foot.
I rewatched most of these films while reading. Don't need to see The Graduate for a long time again since I've taught it so many damn times. But basically, my order of preference hasn't changed: Bonnie & ClydeIn the Heat of the NightThe GraduateGuess Who's Coming to Dinner - I want to like it more than The Graduate and Spencer Tracy deserved the Oscar no matter how much it would have set back the, um, revolution. But ugh, even on purely dramatic terms, it's insufferable. Doctor Dolittle - A complete nightmare. This cannot be the same Richard Fleischer who directed one of the tightest thrill rides ever, The Narrow Margin! Could any two narrative films be more different? And the "songs" were godawful! I must be familiar with another version of "Talk to the Animals" because this one made no impression whatsoever. More than once, the musical notes surrounding the closed captioning were seriously the only way I knew a "song" had started. I admit with no guilt that I fast-forwarded the last third or so (right past those charming natives). And the pink snail money shot! Sadness. Still, the precise extent to which this film represents "old Hollywood" should have been explored a bit more in the book.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 21:10 (fifteen years ago) link
OK this book obviously hit me a bit harder than I imagined. I had a dream last night in which I won the Best Supporting Actor Oscar in 1967! (I have no clue for what film.) I must have been very young too because a lot of people treated me like a kid, saying things like "Aw, I can see your movie star face coming in now." (!!!)
Warren Beatty was using a cheesy cardboard sign to push me out of the auditorium to get me to go to a party with him. Annoyed, I said "What the hell are you doing? I want to stay and talk with my well-wishers and fans." "Fine!" he said all snippy and walked away from me in a huff.
I woke up with my heart beating very rapidly.
Wtf???
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 13:18 (fifteen years ago) link
wow, you upset George Kennedy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikk0xfbtVKM
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 16:20 (fifteen years ago) link
http://filmexperience.blogspot.com/2009/07/were-1967-1979-oscars-most-fascinating.html
― bad crack (Eric H.), Thursday, 2 July 2009 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link
that kind of speculation ... man, baseball geeks are nowhere as nerdy as Oscar geeks.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 2 July 2009 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link
I've read about a third of this book... I wish I'd seen Hoffman play that crippled German transvestite off-Broadway.
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2009 08:38 (fourteen years ago) link
also, Katie Hepburn talking about how helpful blacks were in the jungle, what a loony old New England biddy
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2009 08:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Fun re-read, this thread. Especially the part where Kev seems to argue gay people were better represented in the era of Franklin Pangborn than the era of Pink Narcissus and Paul Morrissey.
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Saturday, 26 September 2009 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link
oh c'mon, surely he was talking about films the public actually saw?
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2009 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link
First the meltdown on the gay thread, now picking fights here. Everything okay, eric h?
― Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 26 September 2009 18:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Fine, I just think the notion that Franklin Pangborn is anything other than an embarrassment (albeit a necessary embarrassment) is bizarre.
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Sunday, 27 September 2009 08:13 (fourteen years ago) link
he's hilarious in those great comedies you hate
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 27 September 2009 09:11 (fourteen years ago) link
This was a ferociously entertaining book... and it was as close to a "revolution" as Hollywood gets, given how his clucking over B&C ousted Bosley Crowther, the death of the Production Code, the way copying The Sound of Music by producing mega-musicals killed at least one studio, etc.
Poitier is the tragic hero of this book. I wonder why he didn't want to play Othello on TV, really? Insecurity about his chops?
I'd read a few things about Rex Harrison and Rachel Roberts before, but lordy ... her howling like a dog and doing underwearless handstanda in front of Jimmy Stewart...
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 September 2009 13:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes, when it comes down to it, this was the most compulsively entertaining read on moviemaking I think I've ever cracked.
― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Monday, 28 September 2009 13:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Some of the old/new guard pairings were a hoot... Jack Warner to Beatty: "What the fuck's an homage?!"
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 September 2009 13:30 (fourteen years ago) link
"That was a three-piss picture!"
― I Love Beatles Polls New Answers (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 28 September 2009 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I read this earlier this month -- in about a week, which is quick for me. Hard to put down.
― katherine helmand province (jaymc), Monday, 28 September 2009 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link
However, it failed to inspire me to rent Dr Doolittle.
― Little starbursts of joy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 September 2009 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link
LOL!
― Mr. Que, Monday, 28 September 2009 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes, when it comes down to it, this was the most compulsively entertaining read on moviemaking I think I've ever cracked.― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Monday, September 28, 2009
OTM. I re-read Easy Riders, Raging Bulls afterward and it was clearly the lesser book.
― if I don't see more dissent, I'm going to have to check myself in (Matos W.K.), Monday, 28 September 2009 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link
While acknowledging the impact of Bonnie and Clyde, etc, PAAR is less in love with the era's mythos than Easy Riders is about his.
― Little starbursts of joy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 September 2009 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Yep. The scale of it helps, too: the time frame is narrower and that helps keep things focused. But Harris is just a better writer, flat out.
― if I don't see more dissent, I'm going to have to check myself in (Matos W.K.), Monday, 28 September 2009 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Harris' empathy helps too. Who comes closest to receiving Biskind's pity in Easy Riders -- Hal Ashby? Bob Evans?
― Little starbursts of joy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 September 2009 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link
I actually made a project out of it and watched all five movies before reading the book. (Only one I had seen before was The Graduate.) Liked Bonnie and Clyde, In the Heat of the Night, and The Graduate to varying degrees. Guess Who's Coming to Dinner was terrible but fascinating as a historical artifact, while Dr. Dolittle was just a slog. Not even the sight of Rex Harrison serenading a seal in a bonnet was worth it, though it was on Netflix On Demand, so at least I didn't have to spend any money on it.
― katherine helmand province (jaymc), Monday, 28 September 2009 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Rex was ill-equipped to be a movie star after a career as a Shavian stage comedian.
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 September 2009 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
The only role in which he's at all bearable is as the composer in Unfaithfully Yours.
― Little starbursts of joy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 September 2009 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
no, he's good in Major Barbara, Cleopatra, and even that ossified film version of MFLady.
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 September 2009 01:40 (fourteen years ago) link
(I am still kicking myself for not seeing him in Shaw's Heartbreak House on Broadway in the early '80s.)
― A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 September 2009 01:41 (fourteen years ago) link
This book really holds up.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 March 2011 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
OK this book obviously hit me a bit harder than I imagined. I had a dream last night in which I won the Best Supporting Actor Oscar in 1967!
lol so much @ this
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 12 February 2012 02:50 (twelve years ago) link
i watched guess who's coming to dinner for the 1st time -- it's not bad. tracy is great & its fun imo to watch almost every character pair off and have their own lil convo abt whats goin on, etc
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 12 February 2012 02:56 (twelve years ago) link
graduate > b&c btw
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 12 February 2012 02:57 (twelve years ago) link
I should poll Hepburn's Oscar-nominated performances.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 February 2012 03:00 (twelve years ago) link
I've watched Bonnie & Clyde every few years over three-plus decades--from an initial "Huh?", it gets better every time I go back to it, and Harris's book helped that along a little more. But I still would have voted for The Graduate, which is part of my movie-going DNA.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 February 2012 03:05 (twelve years ago) link
the whole 1960s was a horrid decade for mainstream american movies. but 1965–68 were probably the worst years of all. maybe the nadir of the commercial american cinema (the early '90s, excepting some shining indie films, were pretty bad too).
excepting experimental films (which is hard, because warhol, baillie, brakhage etc. were on fire this year), i guess these are my favorite films of 1967 in roughly descending order...
Point BlankDavid Holzman's DiaryTwo for the RoadBonnie and ClydePortrait of JasonIn the Heat of the NightIn Cold BloodThe Fearless Vampire KillersThe St. Valentine's Day MassacreCool Hand LukeHow to Succeed in Business without Really TryingThe Legend of Lylah Clare
most of these are pretty flawed films, but all have something to recommend them.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 12 February 2012 13:57 (twelve years ago) link
i left off hellman's 'the shooting' because it wasn't released until a few years later. if it counts, put it after portrait of jason.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 12 February 2012 14:03 (twelve years ago) link
i should have said those are my favorite AMERICAN films.
also dr. doolittle really is an atrocity.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 12 February 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
I couldn't finish rewatching Two For the Road a few months ago.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 February 2012 14:07 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, that's a pretty good list but I didn't like Two for the Road either.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 February 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
Stanley Donen also did Bedazzled that year, which is nominally British but was produced by Donen and Fox; whatever it is, it's not much more British than 2ftR.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 February 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
Who's That Knocking at My Door was technically '67, although just a film festival screening. That'd be on my list, probably Titicut Follies, too, even though Wiseman got much better. It was a dire year:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_films_of_1967
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 February 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
the dirty dozen was much better than any of the Oscar-nominated American films from this year, IMHO.
― it might look subversive, but it's actually crap ... crap does exist (Eisbaer), Sunday, 12 February 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link