Tatooine is probably the best place to network with other scum and villainy and pick up smuggler work.
― jmm, Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:00 (six years ago) link
Yeah, you're completely right - the Tatooine appearance in Sith is right at the end when babby Luke is taken there.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:03 (six years ago) link
really jabba could have been on any planet. unclear why it's tattooine now that you mention it. would be nice to go someplace else, tho that might have foiled lucas's orientalist urge to create a harem/opium den kinda thing. i do like the like/han "I was born here, you know!" exchange.empire has the best environments. hoth's surface and ice caves, dagobah, cloud city's front and back of the house spaces (incl the whole factory setting of the climax) plus landing platform and dangling-underneath-space, asteroids, various imperial interiors (especially vader's emo sphere)... just great.and duhhhhhhhh of course yes, baby luke arriving on tattooine. which one of my poll options complains about! silly me.
― the pleather of pleather paul (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link
somehow in the midst of all of the weird technical and direction choices, the fact that Anakin runs off and kills a shitload of people mid-prequel series and no one is really the wiser still stands out as an odd choice
― mh, Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link
(extremely pedant voice) strictly speaking Hoth is also a desert, like Antarctica
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:08 (six years ago) link
hmm yes
― mh, Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:11 (six years ago) link
In retrospect, Jabba on Tattooine makes zero sense. Why would a creature composed entirely of mucous membrane hang out on a planet covered with sand, why.
― Oiled Launch (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:11 (six years ago) link
What, was the salt planet full?
― Oiled Launch (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:12 (six years ago) link
he drew the short straw when it came to dividing up hutt criminal territory
― mh, Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:12 (six years ago) link
it's like the member of the mob who runs a couple outfits in like, vermont
can't I come hang out in an actual city? no, sorry man, you gotta make the maple syrup protection money
― mh, Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:13 (six years ago) link
I don't mind them going back to Tattoine in Jedi to sort of bring the OT full circle. But it should've been left alone after that.
empire has the best environments.
Easily the most well designed and beautiful of all the films. Up there with best of any SF/fantasy in that respect.
― chap, Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:16 (six years ago) link
Jabba actually spent most of his weekends on his golf planet.
― nashwan, Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:16 (six years ago) link
Isn't there an outtake in New Hope with Jabba on Tatoine? But no, it doesn't really make sense.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:22 (six years ago) link
xp irl lol
― porg and bess (voodoo chili), Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:32 (six years ago) link
Fred: yes altho at that stage jabba is just a human doofus, possibly just passing through mos eisley and taking the chance to hassle han solo. very odd, bad scene, wisely cut, then later slathered over with CGI to put slug-jabba in, for the 1997 special edition.
― the pleather of pleather paul (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 14 December 2017 15:58 (six years ago) link
That was worse than anything in the prequels.
https://media.giphy.com/media/b0ZFy6vNVveeI/giphy.gif
― nashwan, Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:03 (six years ago) link
eurgh
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:10 (six years ago) link
'97 jabba looks like the dancing baby from ally mcbeal
― porg and bess (voodoo chili), Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:17 (six years ago) link
also, is jabba yelping in that clip because Han is stepping on his slug tail?
― porg and bess (voodoo chili), Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
Well, we can at least applaud the breathtaking craft involved in making the newly-inserted Jabba a dead ringer for the version we'd seen previously.
― Oiled Launch (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
iirc they digitally added some weird skip-jump thing to han's motion so he would step over the tail but i have also avoided watching that scene again for many years. have hatewatched the redone song at jedi's palace more recently and it might be the nadir of lucas's entire directorial career.
― the pleather of pleather paul (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
― porg and bess (voodoo chili), Thursday, December 14, 2017 9:18 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes. it was a way for lucas to account for the spatial difference between jabba the human actor and jabba the cgi slug. iirc had lucas not included the tail stepping han would've stepped right through the surface of jabba
obv even as a lover of the prequels i think the special editions are a travesty, any artist should know better
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:23 (six years ago) link
i just did a forum dive on this tail stepping thing in a fit of pique and people seem to have been divided at the time on whether it's dumb or badass that han brazenly steps on the tail of one of the ostensibly scariest gangsters in the galaxy
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
I sometimes wonder if Lucas is too embarrassed to admit that tried to incorporate the tone of Spaceballs into the prequel trilogy because he forgot that it wasn't an actual Star Wars movie.
― Oiled Launch (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 December 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link
Apart from the terrible execution I hate the SE Jabba scene for ruining the mystery of Jabba. It's way better if you hear his voice in hushed tones and have no idea he's a massive space slug till the final movie.
― chap, Thursday, 14 December 2017 17:19 (six years ago) link
tbh i like the fat 70s space pirate Jabba. they should have kept him in and had him be a new bounty hunter or something. otm on him looking like the dancing baby.gif
i think the prequels were heavily influenced by the work done on the Rebel Assault games. these were CD-ROM showcase games that were on-rails and were the first filmed new Star Wars footage since the Ewok movies. in the 90s they worked out the groundbreaking digital movie making techniques invented for the prequels and now used for everything with a superhero or Star War in it.
to make the games they used original props and costumes as well as experimenting with digital video & new blue screen techniques. they created cgi digital backgrounds for some scenes and superimposed the actors just as they did with the prequels. not saying it was the same team but that they probably used all the technology and documentation created by a sister company (Lucasarts>Lucasfilm) to do the SE and prequels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnA380gHqSM
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 December 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, December 14, 2017 8:28 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
to someone who never saw the original versions it completely undercuts the whole Jabba reveal in Return of the Jedi, which is pretty good. how does he go from a comedy slug to a fearsome evil gangster? a question that should never have been asked.
i think also the CGI addition of stormtroopers on Tatooine ineptly riding around on Tauntauns (i think?) while looking for the droids is just as bad.
― omar little, Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
― omar little, Thursday, December 14, 2017 11:05 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this sucks too. basically all of the changes suck. having a bunch of bullshit in the windows of cloud city really interrupts the visual continuity of empire
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link
banthas. those are banthas. tauntauns live on hoth.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:12 (six years ago) link
i guess blending and upgrading some of the practical effects probably didn't suck very much but it's been a v long time since i watched the special editions
i watched the despecialized editions last month and i really love that those exist even though i have my own issues with them. it was a really interesting experience bc i don't think i've ever seen a version of the original trilogy that lucas hadn't somehow fucked with (my first star wars vhs box was the release that he added "episode iv: a new hope" to iirc)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:12 (six years ago) link
oh nm i just looked it up and the "episode iv" appellation occurred much earlier, in a theatrical rerelease
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link
Manny Banthas?
― omar little, Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:19 (six years ago) link
they were riding dewbacks iirc
― mh, Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:28 (six years ago) link
Yeah, those were dewbacks, and there's only one in the un-specialized OT. One of my favorite SW toys as a kid because he just had a little hinged flap in his back to stick a stormtrooper's legs in.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Thursday, 14 December 2017 19:34 (six years ago) link
i gave my friend a VHS box set of the untouched original trilogy in the '90s. I wonder if the tapes still play.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 December 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
I love these old commercials. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg3U3rjoGW4
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Thursday, 14 December 2017 19:39 (six years ago) link
morbs when i was home last Xmas we watched the original SW on VHS, i had the widescreen untampered-with trilogy boxset (which still goes for a decent amount on eBay iirc.) still played nicely.
― omar little, Thursday, 14 December 2017 19:44 (six years ago) link
whoa really?
I need to check, think I reclaimed at least the original VHS special edition release, might have been dumb and gotten rid of the originals because I had pan&scan
― mh, Thursday, 14 December 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link
sick bastards can't believe they cut off the top and bottom of the movies like that
― omar little, Thursday, 14 December 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link
kind of, as the name implies sometimes they'd use the left/right side and then move across the frame during scenes
― mh, Thursday, 14 December 2017 19:51 (six years ago) link
or in some really weird moments, distort a scene to get everything in frame
wait, I read that sideways
less letterbox, very rude
― mh, Thursday, 14 December 2017 19:52 (six years ago) link
the worst movie i've ever seen for distortion on VHS was Die Hard
― omar little, Thursday, 14 December 2017 19:52 (six years ago) link
imagine when movies were broadcast on TV that way, and you had no other option
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 December 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link
god i still remember when WGN would air nothing but colorized versions of White Heat and The Maltese Falcon, as if it was the way they were meant to be seen.
― omar little, Thursday, 14 December 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link
Now imagine when the latest Star War was simply narrated through a paper megaphone by a vaudevillian in shortpants.
― Oiled Launch (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 December 2017 20:08 (six years ago) link
Shorty Lucas
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 December 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link
oh man, I have never seen a colorized Maltese Falcon and I just involuntarily cringed at the idea
― mh, Thursday, 14 December 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link
Not only was Cornelius Evazan a doctor (?!), but his cosmetic surgery shop was across the street from a restaurant called ADMIRAL SNACKBAR?!
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Admiral_Snackbar
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 14 December 2017 00:37 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i kind of love the tone-deaf completionism of this, like if someone decided we needed to compile thorough histories of all the gag shops in the simpsons
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Friday, 15 December 2017 01:19 (six years ago) link
https://s21.postimg.org/aatah6w8n/1941_The_Maltese_Falcon_57m27s.jpg
sorry mh
― omar little, Friday, 15 December 2017 01:22 (six years ago) link