hootsuite for hoos tweets
― j., Tuesday, 19 December 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link
that ask a manager piece refers to this:
https://herb.co/2017/11/24/marijuana-policy-project-sexual-harassment/
― omar little, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 18:23 (six years ago) link
No mention here yet of TJ Miller, who was a bite-my-tongue when we said "let's not speculate about who seems like they might have harassment in their past."
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link
just read that story, insane & awfulhttps://www.thedailybeast.com/silicon-valley-star-tj-miller-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-and-punching-a-woman
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link
they are vehemently disputing this, claiming the accuser seems to have a disturbing past with the couple
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link
Right, that's in the story
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link
No one has accused Miller of hitting on strippers.
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link
sorry didnt read the whole thing xp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
sorry didnt read the whole thing xxp
ugh browser acting weird today
yea it's pretty rough. the fact that it's corroborated by four other women, the school court case, and miller himself talking about it to dozens of people in the comedy world, that's a lot of smoke, you know? but yeah, the statement... i mean wtf are you gonna do, this is multiple violent rape incidents, not like he can do the "i apologize if my past actions may have harmed or been misinterpreted by certain people..."
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/new-data-released-on-house-harassment-sex-discrimination-claim-settlements/2017/12/19/472f49d6-e4c8-11e7-833f-155031558ff4_story.html?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.d30e8c98ac48
― j., Tuesday, 19 December 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
saw this woman's story about miller on twitter, pretty terrible as well
I've been encouraged to publicly share my story. So if you're ever talking about TJ Miller to me and I exclaim "Fuck that guy" this is why. pic.twitter.com/IgYyN6m2cZ— Dalia (@darent85) December 19, 2017
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 19:35 (six years ago) link
Am I the only one surprised that the lionization of Kobe Bryant continues in the current environment?
― Lyudmila Pavlichenko (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
No, you're not.
― FLCLeee (Leee), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 20:31 (six years ago) link
I wonder when someone on the internet is going to discover why Tupac was in prison
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 20:44 (six years ago) link
kobe changed his number so all is forgiven
― Spottie, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link
Ben effing Roethlisberger
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 20:54 (six years ago) link
Sean Penn, where art thou?
― Lyudmila Pavlichenko (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 21:11 (six years ago) link
At the risk of being pelted with rocks and garbage, I'm wondering why the bartender didn't toss the drink after noticing Miller's suspicious behavior when Miller wasn't looking at it rather than wait for her to come back (and possibly drink it if he happened to be busy then). He could have given her another when she was at the bar looking for her drink.
― nickn, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 21:48 (six years ago) link
maybe he was busy when it happened
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link
I had the same thought, but rationalized it as her possibility telling the story poorly/getting some detail wrong.
― how's life, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 21:53 (six years ago) link
Also if he makes it and hands it to her in her presence, he can personally tell her what happened AND
― Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link
...sorry, malfunction. AND make sure the new drink goes straight into her hands and no one else has a chance to fuck w it.
― Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 22:03 (six years ago) link
Anyway is it that important to pick holes in a twitter thread narrative if we aren't disputing the actions of the main character?
― Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link
Glenn Thrush, Suspended Times Reporter, to Resume Work but Won’t Cover White House
good job everyone
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 22:10 (six years ago) link
lol wtf
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 22:17 (six years ago) link
Basketball is pretty damn weird about this shit, I mean, I'm amazed anyone lets Derrick Rose play
― Nhex, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 22:23 (six years ago) link
Thrust got a demotion, essentially - do you think he should've been fired?
― Nhex, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 22:24 (six years ago) link
The Times apparently does not think his behavior was offensive enough to get him fired. I refuse to speculate where the line of demarcation is on that.
― Lyudmila Pavlichenko (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 22:26 (six years ago) link
xp re TJ MillerI was thinking when she came back and said "Hey where's my drink?" the bartender could then explain the situation as he handed her a new drink. But how's life is probably right, a mis-remembering or mis-telling after so long.
― nickn, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
Just saw this about artist Chuck Close.
https://hyperallergic.com/418222/chuck-close-accused-sexual-misconduct/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=facebook_page&utm_medium=Hyperallergic&utm_content=Renowned+Artist+Chuck+Close+Under+Fire+for+Alleged+Sexual+Misconduct
― nickn, Wednesday, 20 December 2017 23:18 (six years ago) link
http://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2017/12/20/a-portland-woman-starts-an-advocacy-group-to-defend-people-accused-of-sexual-misconduct/
― sleepingbag, Thursday, 21 December 2017 00:35 (six years ago) link
xp got naked to be polite???
― j., Thursday, 21 December 2017 05:36 (six years ago) link
As you start your group, how will you keep away actual predators looking to quash authentic allegations?I'm going to have to be very careful of that.
I'm going to have to be very careful of that.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 21 December 2017 05:38 (six years ago) link
also, oy at this chuck close times interview.
But then Mr. Close said that he made his models audition for him first, Ms. Graves recalled. “I’m at this point a little tipsy and totally flattered — in the presence of one of my heroes,” she said. He wheeled over to the bathroom, she said, “and asked me to take my clothes off. Then he started telling me about sexual acts that he and a local waitress perform on each other.” He also asked Ms. Graves highly invasive questions about her intimate grooming and remarked on how lucky her boyfriend was.“I thought, ‘I don’t want this man to be saying these things to me,’” she said. “It was just this profound disappointment.” When Ms. Graves made clear she was not going to cooperate, Mr. Close wheeled himself over to his easel and went back to work. “I let myself out,” she said.Mr. Close said he did not remember this incident but that it sounded possible.
“I thought, ‘I don’t want this man to be saying these things to me,’” she said. “It was just this profound disappointment.” When Ms. Graves made clear she was not going to cooperate, Mr. Close wheeled himself over to his easel and went back to work. “I let myself out,” she said.
Mr. Close said he did not remember this incident but that it sounded possible.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 21 December 2017 05:44 (six years ago) link
here's that link if you want to read the whole thing: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/20/arts/design/chuck-close-sexual-harassment.html
I’m at this point a little tipsy and totally flattered — in the presence of one of my heroes
hey women the reason that men become 'your heroes' is to have sex with you
― sleepingbag, Thursday, 21 December 2017 05:48 (six years ago) link
fuck outta here with that bullshit
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 21 December 2017 05:49 (six years ago) link
honest questions 1 how the fuck is sleepingbag still here, 2 sleepingbag why the fuck are you here
― Men's Scarehouse - "You're gonna like the way you're shook." (m bison), Thursday, 21 December 2017 05:56 (six years ago) link
*gets drunk and goes with man to his bedroom while expressing interest and attraction* (two minutes later) "goodness me... sexual intimations? i am blindsided by this highly unprofessional turn of events"
― sleepingbag, Thursday, 21 December 2017 05:56 (six years ago) link
i have complete empathy for victims of crimes + abuse. i absolutely have scorn for the perpetrators of such crimes. what am i supposed to be seeing in that story you quoted forks? there's nothing there. "i don't want this man to be saying these things to me".... ok, sorry?
“Last time I looked, discomfort was not a major offense,” he added. “I neverreduced anyone to tears, no one ever ran out of the place. If I embarrassed anyone ormade them feel uncomfortable, I am truly sorry, I didn’t mean to. I acknowledgehaving a dirty mouth, but we’re all adults.”
― sleepingbag, Thursday, 21 December 2017 06:09 (six years ago) link
a female professional was approached by a powerful and rich person who worked in her field and asked her to come to his studio to be photographed. He didn't intimate at any point until she was there that he intended to use her as a nude model. Then he tells her "Your pussy looks delicious." If you don't see that as harassment, that's on you.
i have complete empathy for victims of crimes + abuse. i absolutely have scorn for the perpetrators of such crimes.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 21 December 2017 06:22 (six years ago) link
i mean, the guy photographs vaginas close up + it's kind of my point that all art and achievement is a subtext to create attraction and so it maybe shouldn't be that shocking when it arises. i might head into that situation with at least slightly different expectations if i were that woman. some people won't stand for crassness or honest expression of sexual desire from a man... fair enough, maybe it warrants an apology. i just don't think it's criminal or scandalous in the slightest.
― sleepingbag, Thursday, 21 December 2017 06:45 (six years ago) link
Wow you're such a badass independent thinker, what an iconoclast, keep em heads ringin, m8
― brimstead, Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:14 (six years ago) link
/I’m at this point a little tipsy and totally flattered — in the presence of one of my heroes/hey women the reason that men become 'your heroes' is to have sex with you
― estela, Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:25 (six years ago) link
all art and achievement is a subtext to create attraction
i don't usually have a lot to say around here but I feel like I need to point out that this statement is broad, vague, and ridiculous.
Also monday morning quarterbacking what you would do in this situation is not the greatest. Like literally no one wants to hear it.
xposts
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:27 (six years ago) link
if that were true then every such interaction would be a coercion, which would validate (and multiply) the complainants, rather than ratify your sneering lectures to silly girls about the ways of the world.
well, that is exactly what is happening right now, no? take matt lauer: completely reciprocal consensual relationship with a woman who only in the current cultural moment comes to think of herself as a victim... this is somehow beyond being questioned?
btw 'silly girls' have agency. this woman left the room before anything happened. i understand that all people don't find this easy to do, particularly those who have been prior victimized. but is there not still a distinction between 'this person victimized/abused me' and 'this person said something that made me uncomfortable & that was the end of it'?
― sleepingbag, Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:50 (six years ago) link
your comments here make it clear that you're looking at the problem from what i consider to be simply the wrong end of the telescope.
1) these women speaking out is a show of agency; are you somehow suggesting they've given up the right to publicly relate their experience? 2) this gains them nothing in the public sphere; what artist wants to have "was famously harassed by Chuck Close" appended to their obit?
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 21 December 2017 08:00 (six years ago) link
fwiw i believe that basically any male in the art, music, media, comedy, film, politic, sport, etc. 'prestige' fields could generate a headline under the current criteria for a sex abuse scandal... probably 90%. anything one has ever done in one's entire life that may have made a sexually-desired person uncomfortable or been interpreted as an inappropriate or any unreciprocated advance seems to be on the table. i dunno, maybe it's a great thing and will have a positive impact on male behavior going forward? i think it's unlikely that men will stop hitting on women or trying to move things along when they sense the possibility of sex. i guess that's one for the uncool conservative beliefs thread.
xp you have plenty of people on the 'right' end of the telescope as it were, certainly the vast majority of people here if not everyone. & i don't think any ill effect of any of this is the 'fault' of women sharing their experiences, whether or not i believe or agree with them. i think the media is creating somewhat of an opportunity for public vigilantism. again, maybe that has more benefit than drawback. i personally don't think so, but i accept i am for all purposes of conversation here on the 'wrong' side of this. i just can't see it any other way... i'm an intimidating looking guy who has been labelled things i am not on several occasions, so i know it's something that happens. i don't know how often. but i don't like the idea that it's beyond reason in the moment to see things from that perspective, innocent until proven guilty et al.
― sleepingbag, Thursday, 21 December 2017 08:11 (six years ago) link