oh, I was there
― mh, Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link
I think the several of the different science fiction/horror franchises have gone through the same pattern:The horror of the other (monster) -> Acceptance, or a Cyclical, repetitive struggle against what was the other -> A merging with the other
Both the Terminator and Alien series did this over four chapters, although Ridley Scott is trying to create some overarching cycle (Prometheus/Alien Covenant) where man's creation nurtured the initial horror, and Terminator has always had the subtext that the horror is a creation of humanity that becomes the other
There's also the internal subtext in Alien with androids and The Company, so its subtext there is... Terminator's text?
Then you have Blade Runner that kicks off with The Other is Us and in a somewhat uninspired fashion returns decades later to drive the point home further
― mh, Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:32 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCyEX6u-Yhs
Schwarzenegger did some brief AMA-style posting over on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/bs2n3o/were_back_heres_your_terminator_dark_fate_trailer/
― ☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:52 (five years ago) link
was it really necessary to have someone record a moody piano cover of björk's "hunter"
regardless this looks way less horrible and idea-bankrupt than genysis but uh low bar
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:03 (five years ago) link
i'm excited for the part where we see the terminator finally try to kill sarah connor
― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:08 (five years ago) link
The secret surprise in this one is that not only does the Terminator's skin get ripped off to reveal a robotic endoskeleton but that skeleton is itself peeled away to reveal a miniature version of Arnold Schwarzenegger feverishly working a complex system of levers and pulleys.
― 5 favrite kind of animal. jaguar. giraffe. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:47 (five years ago) link
Thank god the guy who made Avatar is bsck in the saddle this time
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:51 (five years ago) link
the guy who made deadpool is in the saddle, the guy who made avatar is the guy providing the horse
― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:52 (five years ago) link
or perhaps more accurately, flogging a horse that looks distinctly unwell
― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:55 (five years ago) link
"director of deadpool" really does make this DOA, even with my extremely positive experience watching another cameron-produced film this year
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:56 (five years ago) link
the CGI looks ghastly, i thought people had gotten better at this sort of thing
terminator is basically a franchise for people who like leather jackets and automobile stunts, this sort of thing should be easy
definite plus points to whoever was like, "oh yeah, remember linda hamilton"
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:00 (five years ago) link
there are no bad terminator projects, only bad alternative timelines explored by terminator projects
― mh, Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:08 (five years ago) link
I also have no idea what I was smoking when I revived this thread in January '18 but I want some of it
and holy shit, Brad wasn't kidding. why would you do this to a Bjork song?
― mh, Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:12 (five years ago) link
terminator is the worst franchise somehow.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:42 (five years ago) link
Well, the first two are ace, but that was before they morphed into franchise mode, I guess.
I hope the entire new movie is slow-mo and ramping.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:46 (five years ago) link
I think part of it is that they hint at the rich narrative promise of a dystopian future controlled by time-travelling robots seeking to destroy humanity but then chain each installment to the notion that the only stories worth following are those that involve an increasingly-aged Arniebot and his adventures with the Connor family.
― 5 favrite kind of animal. jaguar. giraffe. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:47 (five years ago) link
constant slow moody piano covers of women empowerment pop songs performed by men"Nasty.... Nasty Boys... Don't Mean... A Thing..." *plinka plinka plinka*
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:47 (five years ago) link
where’s john connor
― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:09 (five years ago) link
Furlong's 1991 facial likeness from Terminator 2: Judgment Day will be used in flashback scenes through the use of CGI in Terminator: Dark Fate (2019).
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:22 (five years ago) link
Something along these lines I imagine
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/rXjKhcrad5oqGXRHhbYnaZmKFyU=/0x0:1280x720/1200x800/filters:focal(398x143:602x347)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/52827505/lawnmower-man-original.0.0.jpg
― smrater than all of you (Old Lunch), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:26 (five years ago) link
I like the idea of the Terminator series being like a sci-fi "Up" series, with the aging cast gathering every 7 years to reboot the movie again.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:32 (five years ago) link
pretty weak
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:57 (five years ago) link
Yeah the CGI looks bad. I'll be glad when we're past the thing of having CGI-assisted fight scenes where it's obvious that it's just two little CGI sprites jumping around each other.
Its weird how CGI in action & sci fi movies can still suck in 2019. Its like the quality of it stays the same but the amount per film just increases.
― One Eye Open, Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:03 (five years ago) link
How have the Terminator 2 FX held up? I know the practical stunts are still great.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:16 (five years ago) link
t2 still looks astonishing imo
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:18 (five years ago) link
but it's hard for me to be objective about it
it's been a while since i listened to the cameron commentary track (which is really, really great, and gives you a sense of how they made a great story out of all these different moving parts, and how even though the theatrical release is 2+ hours long all of the editing choices they made were perfect, and how the original ending was so, so terrible) but iirc he points out a lot of the instances of cgi and it's really the way the computer graphics interact with the practical effects that keeps them looking good and natural
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:21 (five years ago) link
yeah, t2 still looks great because cameron made very, very smart choices about how and when to use cgi, and as sparingly as possible
― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:24 (five years ago) link
T2 remains absurdly good -- the months leading up to its release were full of such anticipation amongst myself and my dirtbag friends that anything short of a masterpiece would have disappointed, and it didn't. it was sold heavily on the CGI but its pace and directing is what keeps it a classic to this day. Cameron is a genuinely amazing filmmaker in terms of plot structure and action and character types and getting memorable performances from his cast. his dialogue can often be a hard sell (increasingly so over time) but the films are top notch because all the parts are calibrated precisely. we can joke about Avatar and Titanic but those films as ridiculous as they can be are also shockingly non-boring.
― omar little, Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:26 (five years ago) link
i think his weakest film is True Lies in all respects.
― omar little, Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:28 (five years ago) link
also re: t2, they flew a real fuckin helicopter under a bridge in the highway chase scene
never fails to blow my mind
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:29 (five years ago) link
yeah, there’s so much gross gender and race stuff in true lies
― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:31 (five years ago) link
true lies was a rough rewatch scriptwise but as a collection of action setpieces it is still pretty hot shit
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:32 (five years ago) link
but the misogyny kinda feels like a betrayal
knowing now that eliza dushku was molested by true lies’ stunt coordinator is also very much not in its favour
― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:35 (five years ago) link
oh god i forgot about that
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:40 (five years ago) link
the Jamie Lee Curtis striptease scene is extremely creepy, i mean it's a nightmare for her character.
― omar little, Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:42 (five years ago) link
i remember feeling really uncomfortable during that scene as a kid and the discomfort did not wane
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:42 (five years ago) link
that scene and Arnold bringing down the full power of the CIA so he could make Bill Paxton pee his pants or w/e was going on there.
― omar little, Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:47 (five years ago) link
it’s a very weird midlife crisis of a movie - it’s so specific in its strangeness that it feels in some ways like cameron’s most personal film, and if that is the case it doesn’t reflect well on him at all
― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:51 (five years ago) link
movie could be a polemic about how men are all just shit but it is not that
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:52 (five years ago) link
just remembered that a nuke is detonated in the florida keys in true lieswhat a weird fuckin’ movie
― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:57 (five years ago) link
lmao
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NhakUzw52Cw/V0h7J5jowlI/AAAAAAAA5Qs/DRV5iZdgzFEPQsIHJ734uDhQjLXfCc5wACKgB/s1600/true%2Blies40.jpg
― omar little, Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:00 (five years ago) link
this got brought up in another ilx thread just a few months ago, possibly a cameron-related one
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:02 (five years ago) link
GnR gonna have a Taco Bell cassingle giveaway promotion for “You Could Be Mine 2”
― calstars, Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:05 (five years ago) link
weird that one John Wick director stayed on Wick to shoot fights and stunts and choreo in-camera as much as possible (with comedy digital squibs), and the other one has headed off to do 50%-CGI films all the time
― tfw you are not easily whelmed (sic), Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:17 (five years ago) link
One the one hand, great to have a 62yo woman as lead in an action film. On the other hand, everything else.
― And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Friday, 24 May 2019 00:35 (five years ago) link
whoops, it's the Deadpool director, not the Deadpool 2 director
― tfw you are not easily whelmed (sic), Friday, 24 May 2019 01:03 (five years ago) link
at least it is unlikely this one will have a mugshot scene set to "bad boys"
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 24 May 2019 02:55 (five years ago) link