Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

Landis seems to have gone silent in the last month. No Twitter activity or statements about the allegations. I wonder if he thinks he can wait it out.

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Wanting UBC to stick to a fair process is choosing lit community over the victims of sexual harassment? How? If anything a fair process is everything the victim deserves. It is everything that future victims will alway deserve.

― Van Horn Street, Monday, January 15, 2018 2:44 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I explicitly stated it was an "uncharitable" reading, but I just reread the original open letter and there is no concern expressed for the victims to have access to fair processes, only for Professor Galloway. Yes, her follow-up statement expresses concern for "survivor people," but it came after the fact and is also badly written.

Anyway, my point was more that there's a context around Atwood's G&M piece that Americans most likely don't know about, including that Atwood has been criticized widely and publicly for her stance on these issues and, particularly, the recent Concordia scandal--why exactly does Atwood want to be the go-to hot taker whenever a creative writing program is accused of harboring sexual abusers? Maybe everything in her column was righteous on an abstract level, but it's gross timing.

It’s weird that there was a plotline on the most recent season of ansari’s aggressively mediocre show where his costar is brought down by accusations that he was a “creep” with women who worked for him. The Aziz charactef stands up to him. In ANOTHER episode, in season one, he stands up to a subway masturbator and is praised by women he knows for doing this. Almost more than any other male celebrity he’s trued to set himself up as pne of the woke ones. Could have been a way to get ahead of accusations, could have been a lack of self-awareness, could be nothing becausw this babe story is a newscorp plant (least likely), but in any case it’s odd.

what does a talking pig have to do with any of this

Don't call her that, Peggy is a national treasure

that babe site is one of those locations on the web where you need to be real careful about specifying the ‘.net’ part of the address huh

*clears desk in anticipation of visit from the it office*

it's been a while since I read it, but iirc this Rebecca Traister piece gets at some of what we're talking about with Ansari: https://www.thecut.com/2015/10/why-consensual-sex-can-still-be-bad.html

babe is a spin-off of the tab, which is a fairly popular site with the youth (i have students who have worked for its offshoot on my campus). it’s filling the hercampus void

also i’m not surprised that a twentysomething hasn’t seen seinfeld. isn’t it only on hulu?

my students however watch A LOT of FRIENDS

It’s syndicated on a buncha channels

I explicitly stated it was an "uncharitable" reading, but I just reread the original open letter and there is no concern expressed for the victims to have access to fair processes, only for Professor Galloway. Yes, her follow-up statement expresses concern for "survivor people," but it came after the fact and is also badly written.

Anyway, my point was more that there's a context around Atwood's G&M piece that Americans most likely don't know about, including that Atwood has been criticized widely and publicly for her stance on these issues and, particularly, the recent Concordia scandal--why exactly does Atwood want to be the go-to hot taker whenever a creative writing program is accused of harboring sexual abusers? Maybe everything in her column was righteous on an abstract level, but it's gross timing.

― rob, Monday, January 15, 2018 3:12 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I agree the timing is quite off wrt to Concordia but then I can understand how an old writer don't understand how these things work now. Which is no excuse, once you enter that particular arena you have to do your homework.

It’s weird that there was a plotline on the most recent season of ansari’s aggressively mediocre show where his costar is brought down by accusations that he was a “creep” with women who worked for him. The Aziz charactef stands up to him. In ANOTHER episode, in season one, he stands up to a subway masturbator and is praised by women he knows for doing this. Almost more than any other male celebrity he’s trued to set himself up as pne of the woke ones. Could have been a way to get ahead of accusations, could have been a lack of self-awareness, could be nothing becausw this babe story is a newscorp plant (least likely), but in any case it’s odd.

― treeship 2, Monday, January 15, 2018 3:12 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Have you read his 'apology' ? Ansari is just painfully oblivious.

There are some interesting things to be gleaned from Conor Oberst interviews about just what a shit storm this stuff can be. He was accused of rape back in 2013 by someone in an XOJane column and it took years to "clear" his name, scare quotes because obviously no one is ever completely clear. (That is, it's the first thing I think of when I think of Conor Oberst). But he, I think, was considerate enough to think of the accusation and his own ordeal in context, especially when he was being celebrated by idiots in the MRA scene:

"It's such a tricky topic for me because I don't ever want to minimize how much that happens to women all the fucking time," he says. "They say one in four women will experience some kind of sexual assault in their life which is fucking insane and heartbreaking. So as painful and surreal and fucked up as my situation was, I don't ever want to use this as an example to justify anything."

It's telling - and illustrative of how rare false accusations actually are - that his response was ultimately to file a defamation suit (with any money directed to charities benefitting victims of violence against women). It's so infrequent afaict for those accused to actually fight back in court, which lends support to most of the accusers in these situations.

Friends has amazing longevity. People in other countries always like to bring it up too.

It’s syndicated on a buncha channels

xp to VHS
btw I agree that universities' handling of this stuff requires thorough analysis and is clearly designed to benefit the uni rather than the accused or accusers. I worked at a public university in the US when members of an athletic team were accused of sexual assault and the admin response was truly appalling.

They did up until a few years ago. I’m a twentysomething. This isn’t an important tangent though.

Oberst’s accuser turned out to be making stuff up from what I remember.

Yeah that one was proven to be completely fabricated. He wasn’t in the state at the time it was alleged to have happened and things like that. I think the accuser was also obsessed with him.

A rare scenario but it can happen.

the oberst thing was an anonymous accusation made in a comments section by someone who later admitted she had made it up

It originated in the comments but it took off in the mainstream which is why he had to file the defamation suit

iirc some ppl were upset that he had taken legal action, since it could set a bad precedent/discourage ppl from coming forward, etc

iirc correcly everyone almost everyone agreed immediately that something was off with that accusation. I still remember it for how off it felt, both the accusation and Oberst's response.

Oberst handled that very well and tbh based on some of his music he would not have been my first guess to do so lol

didn't Isaac Brock have to deal with something like that too

he discusses it here in this interview from '04, make of it what you will

https://www.avclub.com/modest-mouse-1798208359#

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...'treeship types'?

Caitlin Flanagan is not a feminist for Christ’s sake

caitlin flanagan has been horrible since i first became aware of her probably around 15 years ago? iirc she got her job writing for the atlantic when she charmed someone at a dinner party. she is a world class asshole.

i agree with whoever said upthread that we all need to be part of the solution and communicate our desires/needs/wishes much more clearly and unambiguously.
this is why i wondered recently whether people are reassessing erica jong/fear of flying and the so-called "zipless fuck"

Friends is on........ NETFLIX!

binge on relevant cord cutting youngsters

I see tokyo rosemary and others covered Caitlin Flanagan’s bullshit upthread. sorry, I just flipped out at “Caitlin Flanagan is a feminist” because words mean things. and I have hated her for years

Really can’t relate to the concerns that accusations of harassment have gone too far, and that is probably the most neutral thing I can say about that.

i agree with whoever said upthread that we all need to be part of the solution and communicate our desires/needs/wishes much more clearly and unambiguously.

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, January 15, 2018 4:57 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a good part of the solution also resides in the responsibility to listen what the other person communicates also? taking a recent example, this is exactly what Ansari did not do.

I apologize for what I said about Flanagan. I didn't
know what I was talking about. Xps

Each person should make sure their partner is horny as F and asking for it, verbally and with their open, aware eyes, before things are stuck anywhere (to include fingers down the throat).

a good part of the solution also resides in the responsibility to listen what the other person communicates also? taking a recent example, this is exactly what Ansari did not do.
of course

feel like a lot of 80s and 90s teen movies seemed to reward the guy who just "went for it" which I think has warped a lot of men's brains in the long run

80s movies are rife with sexual assault presented as victory

Ned RT'd a good twitter thread this morning on that exact subject

we all said stuff about that weeks ago on this exact thread

ya there's one scene in Revenge of the Nerds which is basically straight up rape but is played as a victory for the nerds and a hearty chuckle for the audience

I remember at 11 being like, "hmmm, that doesn't seem right....but if it's in a movie...if she's okay with it, I guess..."

movies didn't do anyone any educational favors -- especially considering the lack of realistic and useful sex education elsewhere
idk where people look for examples today but i can't think of a single satisfying example i found when i was young and learning about this stuff for the first time

nothing to fear, kids today just browse around youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFxiZjayyZg

it's telling how these writers didn't wait for a provably false accusation before declaring that it's all gone too far. the backlash didn't even wait for, like, a famous man to suffer legal consequences for sexual assault

i don't even want to unpack whatever that video is

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html

https://theintercept.com/2017/08/31/nyts-newest-op-ed-hire-bari-weiss-embodies-its-worst-failings-and-its-lack-of-viewpoint-diversity/

https://elladawson.com/2017/12/09/bad-sex-or-the-sex-we-dont-want-but-have-anyway/

This piece came out in response to Cat Person, but it gets to the heart of the Aziz Ansari situation better than any of the recent thinkpieces on either side of the argument imo.