US Politics January 2018: "You All Just Got A Lot Richer"

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i like to hope that shutdowns demonstrate just how many important things depend on the government, but that never seems to make any difference

mookieproof, Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link

with regard to the political calculus - trump's action on DACA created a humanitarian crisis. hundreds of thousands of people's lives are poised to be permanently altered. even if trump doesn't actively move forward on deporting them (hmmmm) they will be cast into total uncertainty about their entire futures. if he does, relationships and friendships and families will be torn apart. anything they've worked for, great or small, will be obliterated as they're forced to move away from the place they've lived effectively their whole lives. it's infuriating that trump can set the agenda by order and force the democrats to put it all on the line to address just one of the many problems he's created, but in this case i'll say putting it on the line is "worth it" by pretty much any metric one could cobble together. do we expect the house to vote on destroying seven hundred thousand other lives between 2019 and 2021? whose? if not, then this is probably the most important thing democrats are going to get to vote on whether this "costs" them the house next year or not. what do we want them to save their energy for exactly?

Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link

Is it worth it to get a DACA deal if they throw in all sorts of other poison pill anti-immigration stuff, including a wall?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link

Because that's part of the impasse right?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link

Which is bad for them, and I feel terrible for any federal employee living paycheck to paycheck (if they exist).

Hi! :)

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:41 (six years ago) link

Is it worth it to get a DACA deal if they throw in all sorts of other poison pill anti-immigration stuff, including a wall?

The hard rock the democrats are up against is that the Republicans control the House the Senate, and the Presidency. The Dems have some leverage in the Senate due to the rules there, but getting concessions means making concessions, too.

The wall is expensive, but by itself it probably won't do much good or harm either way, other than its wretched symbolism and the waste of money. So, if it secures the futures of 700,000 young people and provides a path to citizenship, it would be well worth it from my perspective.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:42 (six years ago) link

I thought the Dem strategy was sposed to be OBSTRUCT

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:49 (six years ago) link

My understanding is that the wall was the least of it. There are also other immigration curbs and further Healthcare cuts that were in the house bill right?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link

So an immigration deal needs to simultaneously win 1.) Schumer & Durbin's votes 2.) John Kelly & Stephen Miller's recommendation to Trump to endorse it. 3.) Paul Ryan's commitment to a House vote even if it splits the majority. Hmmm.

— Susan Davis (@DaviSusan) January 20, 2018



This is about the size of it. We could be here for a while

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:06 (six years ago) link

Where's Reince Priebus when you need him

Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:14 (six years ago) link

Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.), speaking to reporters Friday night about his general frustrations with the process, said that “our country was founded by geniuses, but it’s being run by idiots.”

Next Month's Title?

Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:46 (six years ago) link

lol

In politics, he resembles at times an amateur jazz musician — moody and improvisational, but without the technical chops to hold a piece together.

mookieproof, Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:48 (six years ago) link

Birth Of The Tool

Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:51 (six years ago) link

Ha.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:53 (six years ago) link

Dingus Ah Um

Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link

A Taco Supreme

Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link

Tyrant Steps

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link

So is dummy going to Florida for his fundraiser/self-celebration? It would be horrible optics to do so, which makes me think he will do it.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:57 (six years ago) link

we can only hope so

Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:59 (six years ago) link

The wall is expensive, but by itself it probably won't do much good or harm either way, other than its wretched symbolism and the waste of money. So, if it secures the futures of 700,000 young people and provides a path to citizenship, it would be well worth it from my perspective.

Building it, and then tearing it down in 2021, would be a reasonable approximation of Keynes’ “burying banknotes and then digging them up” bit from General Theory.

I’m not opposed to going with that as a jobs program tbf

El Tomboto, Saturday, 20 January 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link

Someone should refocus Trump on building a ladder to the moon.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 22:03 (six years ago) link

or blowing it up

maura, Saturday, 20 January 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Csj7vMKy4EI

maura, Saturday, 20 January 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link

alternately
Dingus Dingus Dingus Dingus Dingus

many xposts

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 20 January 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link

what a time to work for a government contractor (as I do)

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 January 2018 23:07 (six years ago) link

LIFE IS WINNING

Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 20 January 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link

Dingus Ah Um

― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII)

why so sick and ridiculous?

Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Saturday, 20 January 2018 23:18 (six years ago) link

!!@SenDuckworth: "I will not be lectured about what our military needs by a five-deferment draft-dodger. And I have a message for cadet bone spurs: If you cared about our military, you'd stop baiting Kim Jong-Un into a war that could put 85,000 American troops .. in danger." pic.twitter.com/BBXVna819m

— JM Rieger (@RiegerReport) January 20, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:18 (six years ago) link

oof

Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:21 (six years ago) link

good on her. now she'll get her own nickname from our president.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:25 (six years ago) link

TAMMY

mookieproof, Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:26 (six years ago) link

yesss

maura, Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:34 (six years ago) link

"draft dodger" still has a 1971 hardhat whiff to me. I like draft dodgers.

The phrase for Yam (and so many other war-promoting coddled cowards) is "chicken hawk."

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:39 (six years ago) link

JM Rieger shd've at least properly capped "Cadet Bone Spurs"

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:40 (six years ago) link

he resembles at times an amateur jazz musician

I know the moment has passed, but... Cantaloupe Lie-land?

godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:44 (six years ago) link

"draft dodger" still has a 1971 hardhat whiff to me. I like draft dodgers.

The phrase for Yam (and so many other war-promoting coddled cowards) is "chicken hawk."

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius)

can't do it. can't use "chicken hawk" to refer to anybody other than an old creep with a taste for the barely legal. i should get with the times i suppose...

Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Sunday, 21 January 2018 01:15 (six years ago) link

I think Lt. Colonel Duckworth gets to use "draft dodger" as a pejorative

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 21 January 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link

By far the most surprising guest here at the @Cernovich event: Chelsea Manning!

— Charlie Warzel (@cwarzel) January 21, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 21 January 2018 01:30 (six years ago) link

"draft dodger" still has a 1971 hardhat whiff to me. I like draft dodgers.

The phrase for Yam (and so many other war-promoting coddled cowards) is "chicken hawk."


When I find myself in full agreement with Morbius, consecutively over a series of days, that’s a fucking sign.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 21 January 2018 01:41 (six years ago) link

Morbs real otm here. stop using their shit brand framing

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 21 January 2018 02:42 (six years ago) link

I agree but in context they're clearly using the GOP's own bullshit pejorative labels against them.

Obv conscription is gross and shaming those who avoid it is worse....

fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 21 January 2018 02:48 (six years ago) link

sure and I’m not knocking Duckworth, who’s (generally) pretty rad (other than fisa) and who better to take the shot. I’m talking more generally. Like the ‘resistance’ prob shouldn’t make a whole lot of noise about draft dodgers.

chicken hawks otoh. no one but lobbyists like those

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 21 January 2018 03:00 (six years ago) link

*shot?

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 21 January 2018 03:02 (six years ago) link

yeah we need a better/richer language here. i dig draft dodgers in the fuck-this-war-i'm-going-in-hiding sense. vietnam was bullshit - dodge away. but the specific thing of "i used my wealth and connections to get myself out of harm's way while letting the draft, and war, hum murderously along for others" is worth calling out. trump's record here is pathetic of course. but "chicken hawk" doesn't capture why either, plus no one knows what it means. i think duckworth could have just said "...from a rich kid who stayed out of vietnam by having his daddy's hired doctor make up phony medical excuses, while the kids of the people who rented apartments in his daddy's buildings had no such option" .... or some pithier version thereof.

Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 21 January 2018 03:10 (six years ago) link

yeah “chickenhawk” a misnomer in this instance.

but ppl should know what means and the GOP should absolutely be synonymous with it

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 21 January 2018 03:16 (six years ago) link

Chelsea was ostensibly there to "crash it" but bb you gotta do more than show up and get seen at a white supremacist's party if yr gonna call it crashing

God her ad is so bad, all signifiers aimed at people who think voting doesn't do anything

I want better things for her than this

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 21 January 2018 03:28 (six years ago) link

probably a better option than "draft dodger" or "chicken hawk": "shithead"

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Sunday, 21 January 2018 03:57 (six years ago) link

Meantime

oh my god https://t.co/uudoz4Z6Ps pic.twitter.com/2YgXIVqdaO

— Simon Maloy (@SimonMaloy) January 21, 2018

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 January 2018 04:23 (six years ago) link

When I find myself in full agreement with Morbius, consecutively over a series of days, that’s a fucking sign.

― El Tomboto, Saturday, January 20, 2018 5:41 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sigh, tying the knot. finally. looking for rsvp.

barreras, Sunday, 21 January 2018 04:40 (six years ago) link


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