Never thought I'd be interested in watching scenes of fittings, but those were among the highlights for me. The one of him fitting Alma on their first "date" was slow-burning eroticism. Loved the film.
― Jazzbo, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
Structurally, the extended fitting / courtship scene feels much like the first extended interview scene in The Master.
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
The first hint that this is a comedy (and one of my favorite moments) is during that fitting scene when the sister says "he likes a little belly" and Alma--whom you'd expect to show some kind of stereotypical subdued woundedness in response--has this really broad "wtf did you say" expression and it's so great.
― ryan, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link
xp yea definitely agree with the interview quote upthread about the connection between this and the master, pta self-deprecating "i have a limited bag of tricks" well this one is still pretty different, obviously funnier & more intimate
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
haha yeah @ryan i like how quickly alma is integrated into the house and how pta doesn't make her go thru the expected wounded pose. like i think a scene or two after that belly comment is the first breakfast scene with alma. "it's like you road a horse across the room"
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
is this his first movie where the dude is just irritated rather than tamping down some unresolved father issues boiling rage?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
DDL has a good body for portraying a person uncomfortable with existing in a body
― direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
xp yes... altho punch drunk-love doesnt have that iirc. but all of his movies are very concerned with masculinity & society's expectations of men and their behavior
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
?? if you take away the shoobidy shobbidy baby talk from adam sandler all you get is unresolved father issue boiling rage
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link
I suppose, probably misremembering but aren't his parents out of the picture/ was raised by his mom? tho absent father still= father issues often
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:28 (six years ago) link
The mother remarried; Woodcock was old enough to make her gown. There could be an element of Oedipal resentment of the (step)father intruding on their life together; there could be an element of him trying to control his mother's second marriage through the gown. I could be reading too much into this.
On another subject, if anyone rewatches this, could you tell me whether or not Woodcock's designs include any fur? It strikes as a little strange for this period for a high-fashion designer to not use any fur in a collection.
― Polly of the Pre-Codes (j.lu), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
oh i was talking about PDL, but yea you're right about Woodcock's parents. I'm pretty sure I remember at least one fur coat, but it wasn't commented on... but could be another movie I watched recently, not sure...
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
this was as fantastic as everyone said. hard to pick a place to start but the score was just stunning.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 2 February 2018 03:13 (six years ago) link
saw this in 70 last night, found it to be good and interesting if emotionally unmoving (to me personally) and glorious to look at which is particularly impressive since almost all of it is just people talking in rooms. thumbs up but i couldn't really tell you why.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 3 February 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link
From the trailer I am really really not up for this.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 3 February 2018 20:14 (six years ago) link
I went to see it last night and I loved it. One of PTA's best yet. A peculiar tale about how lovers twist each other inside out with the rigid orderly setting of 50s Brit fashion making a apt setting. DDL will get the plaudits but I think Lesley Manville is the secret MVP
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Saturday, 3 February 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
agreed. DDL is pretty unobtrusive in this, unlike everything else he's been in. for one thing he's playing a brit, and like we've discussed upthread, this movie works on a much more intimate scale than all of PTA's other movies. when I saw it a second time, Lesley Manville stuck out even more. just that closeup of her when the first girl is begging Reynolds to talk/pay attention to her.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 3 February 2018 21:17 (six years ago) link
i saw this last night and enjoyed it for reasons i didn't expect to -- it was much weirder and more complex than i thought it would be, and all within the polite confines of a movie about dresses/dressmaking
has the colossal NYE party been discussed? that struck me as one of the most OTT moments (the extras/costumes alone) and i am not quite sure what to make of it. is this a typical NYE party for 1950s England?!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 4 February 2018 15:46 (six years ago) link
Loved that party sequence, just imagining this one huge set piece with a ton of people that they got together and then filming around the fringes.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 4 February 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link
yeah La Lechera, it's kind of a monster movie, but the monsters are recognizable
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 February 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
i found the symbolism and archetypical (archetypal?) nature of their roles ("artist", "muse") really interesting as a canvas for interpretationalso it sure is a good year for odd couples, lol!
i am also interested in talking about cyrilshe is the most mysterious character
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 4 February 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
Cyril doing the Hannibal Lecter sniff when she 1st meets alma
― scrüt (wins), Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
Not a huge PTA fan, but I loved this movie so much. Feels, more than any PTA movie I've seen, like a Kubrick film, with a compelling simple-on-the-surface story that seems to disguise a much bigger one, even if I can't place quite what it is yet. I really can't wait to see it again.
Agree that Cyril is the most mysterious character, aside from Reynolds' mom. Her scene cutting down DDL with a bare minimum of words and motion was one of the highlights, but for a woman who speaks her mind 100% of the time her motives are hard to read.
― Evan R, Monday, 5 February 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link
I need to get over my Cary Grant allergy and watch Suspicion. definitely echoes of Rebecca in this especially with Cyril.
― flappy bird, Monday, 5 February 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link
She is more mysterious than her presumed model, Mrs Danvers in Rebeccaxp
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 February 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link
or as Nigel Bruce's character calls her, "Danny"
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 February 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
yeah i was gonna say that, Danvers is a very explicit character
― flappy bird, Monday, 5 February 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
Surprised there isn't more love itt for Reynolds' offscreen line about putting some fresh cream in his oatmeal. "It is a bit naughty though, isn’t it?”
That was the big "oh shit, I'm the only person in the theater laughing" moment for me. But I think along with the hungry boy note it says a lot about his psyche.
― Evan R, Monday, 5 February 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
Highly recommended
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― flappy bird, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link
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the dvdscr has leaked.
― calzino, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link
This was very good. Vicky Krieps is fantastic, It's a real shame she didn't get nominated. the film is about the mother but in a completely different way from I expected. I thought the very particular notations of measurements between Reynolds and Cyril at Alma's first fitting were leading towards a different kind of mothering denouement.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
Best dress was the pale pink one he rescued the lace from Antwerp for.
There's something about Reynolds that reminds me of Lucien Freud. The voice was very similar. Also, LF was a maniac about breakfast, having exactly the same breakfast at exactly the same restaurant for two decades. LF was very childlike too and very controlling of his muses and models.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link
meant to say that he had the same breakfast in the same place EVERY DAY.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:37 (six years ago) link
The voice was very similar. Also, LF was a maniac about breakfast, having exactly the same breakfast at exactly the same restaurant for two decades
Only two decades? Amateur.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47287000/jpg/_47287745_gilbert_george_afp.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:39 (six years ago) link
ah yes, but they are just actors!
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 23:40 (six years ago) link
Mixed about the film, but his PJs were fire.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 8 February 2018 01:29 (six years ago) link
I kind of wanted it to end at the point where he asks her to marry him and she hesitates and you see him panic
― i know kore-eda (or something), Thursday, 8 February 2018 09:59 (six years ago) link
Interesting you should mention Lucien Freud, Jed- I think I spotted a picture of his in Woodcock's country pad...
― Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Thursday, 8 February 2018 10:05 (six years ago) link
In this New Statesman review, Ryan Gilbey claims DDL is doing an "excellent Dirk Bogarde impression" - can't really hear it myself?
https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/film/2018/01/phantom-thread-more-compilation-outstanding-scenes-great-movie
― Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 8 February 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link
I watched Bogarde in King and Country last night, and I don't hear it... Certainly not the way DDL was doing John Huston's voice in TWBB.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 February 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link
A Very Hungry Boy
― mh, Thursday, 8 February 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
I am still processing this but one thing that bothered me was Julia Davis's line "I don't want to be racist, but …". I very much doubt anyone would use that phrase in 1950s London, certainly not about someone white! Also, I'm dubious that British marriage ceremonies included the line "you may now kiss the bride" back then.
― Alba, Friday, 9 February 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
Entrancing film. Really something. Watched it last night and thought about it all day today. Vicky Krieps is indeed excellent and it goes to show the predictable myopia of American award ceremonies that she was overlooked.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 10 February 2018 03:34 (six years ago) link
well she's not from here
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 February 2018 07:14 (six years ago) link
Ah. Yeah. Touché!
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 10 February 2018 13:41 (six years ago) link
Random question - is this a loud movie? I have tinnitus so I don't see as many movies as I used to, but kind of want to see this. I hated The Master and Inherent Vice (and the Sandler one, come to think of it), so I might be a sucker. But this looks interesting.
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 10 February 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link
There's some very loud toast-scraping, but mostly quiet except for one (party) scene.
― WilliamC, Saturday, 10 February 2018 13:53 (six years ago) link
My general indifference towards the film aside, I thought it should have gotten an AA nomination for sound. All those little everyday sounds that drive DDL crazy--I share this hyper-sensitivity with him, and tinnitus with Chuck--were rendered bracingly and piercingly sharp throughout.
― clemenza, Saturday, 10 February 2018 14:55 (six years ago) link
I hate the extra focus on foley sounds that the audio industry passes off as artistry, it's so fucking annoying and unnecessary, it's worse than teal and orange, make it stop.
― MaresNest, Saturday, 10 February 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link