its not that i'm against weirdness and i loved the dream logic of the earlier episodes, but the truncated way in which the plot was dealt with was really stretching things. Why have the Wyndham Earl plot at all, it was so half-arsed. What did it matter that Earl was looking for the lodge? What about the message to the Major? I feel like you could have just had this episode exactly one episode after the resolution of the laura palmer story and it would have been the same.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
the finale was all the pointless storylines being neatly and cursorily tied up
this isn't true at all!
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
Lol yeah they all end in massively uncertain fates of major characters; in the soapy 90s we called these "cliffhangers"
― very stabbable gaius (wins), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
You'll get no argument from me re windom earle tho haha
also ultimately the show seems to me to be horribly conservative. That beauty pageant episode, my god. I think the decent good small town folk bollocks is ultimately about as ironic as vice magazine racism circa '07.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
The storyline about lara flynn boyle raced to its conclusion. Oh he's your dad. there wasn't even time to work up a bit of ambiguity. what was the key that eckhart sent? oh it was for a bomb! also what about the south african woman in jail. is she going to be charged? I'm pretty sure she was also in ER so I guess she got out eventually and moved to boston.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
tbh if you don't like the finale episode you should prob stop punishing yourself now & skip s3
yeah, exactly. when people ask about the return i usually say that if they liked the finale and fire walk with me, they'll love the return
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
The storyline about lara flynn boyle raced to its conclusion. Oh he's your dad. there wasn't even time to work up a bit of ambiguity.
idk i spent a while wondering if ben horne was dead (he's not)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
what else? Audrey: "I love you billy zane for some reason" conclusion, she loses her virginity to him and then gets involved in the family business and works closely with her father, seemingly disregarding the fact that he tried to have sex with her while she was wearing a mask about a month before.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
never encountered someone who hates the finale this much tbh, i'm a little baffled
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
the only real cliffhanger I can think of is leo with a nest of tarantulas dangling from his tooth
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
tbh the only bit of the finale I enjoyed was when laura palmer did the backwards clicking bit
you aren't wondering if audrey is dead, huh
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
Why have the Wyndham Earl plot at all, it was so half-arsed.
Windom Earle sucks, but he works pretty well as a conduit for drawing Cooper to the Black Lodge, and imparting personal stakes on his journey there, so it's not just "detective goes to mysterious place seeking answers." He's worth it just for that amazing S2 finale imo, and the long return from the Lodge is narratively the best thing about S3.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
plax hates a lot of stuff but, like me, he's a sweetheart
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
Feels like you're conflating stuff pretty much everybody hates (Audrey's plots in late s2, Donna paternity, miss twin peaks) with the finale which is rightly unconcerned with all those
― very stabbable gaius (wins), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
also, kudos for just writing james entirely out with a postcard ("I'm in san francisco, its awesome")
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
― very stabbable gaius (wins), Wednesday, January 31, 2018 10:31 AM (thirteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
exactly
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
THESE ARE ALL IN THE FINALE
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
I literally watched it last night
Also "Bob is in Cooper now and Coop is trapped in the Black Lodge for 25 years and everything is fucked" is probably the greatest cliffhanger any series finale has ever given us
― Evan R, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
but i guess sheryl lee screaming and strobe lights aren't for everyone
Outrageous attempt at innocence by association from morbs!
― Alderweireld Horses (darraghmac), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
Also the fucking drawing being a map. Of course its a map. IT LOOKS LIKE A MAP. My god. Ultimately why I hated what happened to this series is that the genuinely eerie atmosphere of the first series just evaporates and instead there's all this Indiana Jones crap in the woods. Remember when they went to the log lady's house for tea and the log gave them a message. That was genuinely unsettling. The last ten minutes are mostly just people going "woooooh"
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
― plax (ico), Wednesday, January 31, 2018 10:32 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
1. ok, yeah, donna's paternity does feature in the finale, but lynch truncates it to a very intense scene between ben and the hayward family, it's one of my favorite scenes in the whole series despite the dumb ideas that engineered the whole plot. like, doc hayward screaming over ben horne's unconscious body doesn't... do anything for you?
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link
No, because its just like "ok lets tie up these loose ends, how about a... confrontation?"
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
i had other points but i'm not really convinced you watched it
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
Yeah there is the barest continuity between the Donna/Audrey scenes in the last ep and the ones leading up to them. And the pageant is simply not in the finale.
― very stabbable gaius (wins), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
one thing you have to understand about james, though - he's cool. he's always been cool.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
james is not remotely cool are you joking? james is such a boring guy you would avoid at parties when you were a teenager. Do not let him have any of my weed. jesus
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
he doesn't talk much these days. but he's cool.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
he's cool
― very stabbable gaius (wins), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link
just you
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link
and i
*swaay*
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link
best bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohV3_9mgNGY
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link
James's song is legit top 5 scene in first two seasons (although yes comes below mairzy doats)
― very stabbable gaius (wins), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
also jerry horne's wardrobe
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link
― very stabbable gaius (wins), Wednesday, January 31, 2018 10:40 AM (twenty-five seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
all in sheryl lee's and lara flynn boyle's expressions
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, January 31, 2018 9:28 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i liked the finale (although i agree with plenty of plaxico's criticisms of it) and fire walk with me and disliked the return ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
Its also so disappointing that the show finally runs away from its most troubling intimations (that the family is an institution that allows abuse and violence to be perpetuated) towards something really trite (the woods are haunted).
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link
it's both
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
Like what is this show ultimately about? That the FBI and the military are here to keep us safe from evil?
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
Yeah the one stands in for the other (for lynch, anyway - I agree that this escapes the other writers in the latter part of s2) xp
― very stabbable gaius (wins), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link
xpost
there's an answer to that, but it's classified at the blue rose level
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
― plax (ico), Wednesday, January 31, 2018 10:48 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
is this the conclusion you drew from the end of the finale or what
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
Truman, Cooper and the Major. Good decent guys from the protective arm of the state, enveloping us in warm enlightened vibes from Tibet, etc.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
The show's reimagining of the Feds as a spiritual chivalric order shouldn't be taken literally imo but also like, they're completely impotent and clueless and fail all the time?
― very stabbable gaius (wins), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
Too bad there's all this ahistorical evil out there making us rape our daughters in train carriages
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link
^^^^
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link