Did the first series 'rescue' DL from postmodernism?
Twin Peaks proved, at least for a while, to be not only a phenomenal critical/commercial success, but one that worked entirely on its auteur’s own idiosyncratic terms, melding an ironic view of melodramatic conventions with a surrealist vision. Indeed, Lynch has often been credited with irrevocably transforming television, paving the way for that Golden Age represented by The Sopranos (with its frequent recourse to dream sequences), The Wire, Breaking Bad and Mad Men.
Yet it could just as easily be argued that television transformed Lynch, previously a key postmodern figure. Whereas modernism viewed narrative as a problem, postmodernism viewed it as a joke, a hoax that had been exposed and deserved only our derision. Blue Velvet (1986) and Wild at Heart (1990) belong securely within this tradition, as does the feature-length Twin Peaks pilot.
As the latter series developed, however, Lynch clearly found himself caring, in an unironic way, about characters who had initially existed in inverted commas, introducing a depth of feeling that would be retained in his later, more mature output. Turning from Twin Peaks’s 1989 pilot to its prequel, Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992), one is struck by the sharp difference in tone; the scene in the pilot in which we are asked to laugh at Deputy Andy Brennan (Harry Goaz)’s grief upon confronting Laura Palmer (Sheryl Lee)’s corpse feels callous in a manner that has no equivalent in the later film, or any of Lynch’s subsequent theatrical efforts.
http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/sight-sound-magazine/comment/bradlands/twin-peaks-david-lynch-stretches-television-unknown
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 February 2018 22:27 (six years ago) link
Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Monday, 12 February 2018 22:52 (six years ago) link
the scene in the pilot in which we are asked to laugh at Deputy Andy Brennan (Harry Goaz)’s grief upon confronting Laura Palmer (Sheryl Lee)’s corpse feels callous in a manner that has no equivalent in the later film
when truman says "is this gonna happen every damn time?" you have all of andy's character (except his physical heroism) summed in one moment, and you're not (just) supposed to laugh imo. andy is undesensitizable, which in a whole show about trauma is hardly just a joke. plus, accidental resonance: things that happen again, things that are returned to, the same as last year at mr. blodgett's barn.
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 12 February 2018 23:14 (six years ago) link
at the same time yes it is played for laughs. figure it out yknow?
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 12 February 2018 23:15 (six years ago) link
Whereas modernism viewed narrative as a problem, postmodernism viewed it as a joke, a hoax that had been exposed and deserved only our derision.
also i've never taken an english course so who knows but this sounds wrong.
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 12 February 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link
yeah i was gonna make roughly the same post. considering how much crying and sobbing there is in the episode, it serves a much more nuanced purpose than getting a laugh
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 12 February 2018 23:20 (six years ago) link
"narrative deserves only our derision" reads like a characterization of postmodernism by... someone who thinks you can be rescued from it by television
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 12 February 2018 23:20 (six years ago) link
Narrative is funny though.
― Alba, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 06:44 (six years ago) link
Jeeze I'd say one would only have to watch 10 minutes of THE ELEPHANT MAN to realise where Lynch's heart is.
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 06:52 (six years ago) link
no matter how hard I try i will never understand what is or isn't postmodern
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 08:43 (six years ago) link
congratulations, you're postmodern
― Simon H., Tuesday, 13 February 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link
feel like anything before WWI is modern but past that it gets fuzzy. once you've passed Andy Warhol and the birth of the internet there's no looking back
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 13:50 (six years ago) link
i chose WWI cos Dada/surrealism being the first cracks in the facade of pop postmodernism
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 13:51 (six years ago) link
icymi
https://www.villagevoice.com/2018/02/15/film-poll-twin-peaks-nathan-for-you-and-the-great-tv-vs-film-debate-of-2017/
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 February 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
Netflix finally sends the DVDs on Tuesday. See you in the Other Place!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 February 2018 20:36 (six years ago) link
i'll probably start it this weekend, as i'm watching the original's finale tonight i think.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 February 2018 20:37 (six years ago) link
we'll see you both at the curtain call
― i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Friday, 16 February 2018 20:39 (six years ago) link
O Lucky Men!
Re: the revive, why do so many hot takes of Lynch's work seem to so fundamentally misunderstand Lynch and his aims? I mean, I geddit, he can be a slippery customer, but still.
― I Wanna Be A Door (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 February 2018 20:39 (six years ago) link
I think there's a fundamental mismatch between how fans watched the Twin Peaks revival—obsessively, in online forums, sleuthing and pouring over every crevice for deeper significance—and how Lynch has suggested we enjoy it: as an experience, a dream that works best on the immediate level. He's all but said "just watch it, enjoy it and be moved by it."
Obviously artists don't get to control how viewers engage with their work, but it does make the 15,000 Reddit threads devoted to Judy seem very silly.
― Evan R, Friday, 16 February 2018 21:02 (six years ago) link
I'm not going to not talk about Judy.
― Alba, Friday, 16 February 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
frankly the obsessive poring-over is why I like to watch such series long after they debut.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 February 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link
(ie to abstain from it)
i don't think he minds a huge group of fans obsessing over every tiny detail in his work. he even nods to that kind of community/culture a few times in the return (i won't be specific even though it wouldn't really be a spoiler at all)
― i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Friday, 16 February 2018 21:11 (six years ago) link
in terms of how an audience consumes his work, he seems much more concerned about the quality - he hates people watching on phones, and he recommended several times that people use headphones (which i do too; if you're into the eraserhead soundtrack you'll love this)
― i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Friday, 16 February 2018 21:13 (six years ago) link
Yeah that's a noble priority. I remember this debuted in the summer, and every Sunday night even on the most sweltering days I'd have to turn off the air condition when watching the new episode so I didn't miss any of the sound details
― Evan R, Friday, 16 February 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link
Never watched anything else in our place at such a volume (although my gf did insist on a significant reduction wrt the Penderecki).
― Love Theme from Biodome (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 February 2018 22:37 (six years ago) link
Do you have neighbors, pal?
Figure I'll go about 2 episodes a week, an 18-hr marathon doesn't seem optimal for my mental state.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:32 (six years ago) link
i tried but can't do more than 2 episodes at a time. 3 is a stretch.
― akm, Saturday, 17 February 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
I just finished the fourth episode. So far I'm glad it exists but I'm not blown away either. Much of it is attenuated for no reason.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:31 (six years ago) link
comedy/horror of duration, as we discussed in the Lynch thread
was genuinely surprised when J J Leigh showed up
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:36 (six years ago) link
Much of it is attenuated for no reason.
it gets worse.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
Slow TV, doodz
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
Morbs, lecturing on teevee politics.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
I've said elsewhere that this feels like the OG 9-episode Showtime order spread margarine thin to self-indulgent effect. I watched eps 1-9, one at a time, and had to stop for a while.
― rb (soda), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:42 (six years ago) link
on another TP thread I wrote that it reminded me of Bela Tarr, but worse, and that it careens wildly from tone to tone, idea to idea (in a way that doesn’t seem entirely in control). I said that the true believers argue this is part of the appeal, but it just kinda seems gratuitous.
The intrinsic dullness of soap-operas shines through in the Dougy bits, but it isn't as biting or clever as "Invitation to Love" once was.
― rb (soda), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:46 (six years ago) link
hmmm
Lynchiacs remind me of Deadheads sometime
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link
lol
"it's about the notes they don't play, the lines they don't say, the plot lines they don't resolve"
― flappy bird, Saturday, 24 February 2018 00:23 (six years ago) link
My advice is do NOT binge watch TPTR. It thrives on pauses between utterances. No more than 2 episodes a day imo
― Lockhorn. Lockhorn breed-uh (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 23:33 (six years ago) link
agreed
― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 March 2018 00:05 (six years ago) link
Sherilyn Fenn should be cast in the Dianne Feinstein bio pic.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:06 (six years ago) link
I finished it! It irritated the hell out of me for the tortuous middle stretch (Episode Nine + three or so). The last two episodes moved me more than expected, and I'm not a Lynch fan who gives much of a shit about the original show, nor did I re-watch to remember (I've never seen the second season, for example. I love Fire Walk With Me fwiw.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:08 (six years ago) link
oh boy you've gotta see the second season finale. honestly you can watch it in isolation & get along fine if you don't want to (understandably) go thru all of that very uneven season. i think it's the best thing Lynch has ever done.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:10 (six years ago) link
(Episode Nine + three or so)
might agree that 9-10's the dip but 11 is great ("keep your blood", turkey jerky, "...you're not gonna tell me what she said?!") and tho the cherry pie is the most defiantly dreamlogiced thing in the show i love 11 for "mr. jackpots, thank you again!" "thank you... again"
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:37 (six years ago) link
sorry, first one there should be 12
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:38 (six years ago) link
oh boy you've gotta see the second season finale. honestly you can watch it in isolation & get along fine if you don't want to (understandably) go thru all of that very uneven season. i think it's the best thing Lynch has ever done.otm, if you were to watch just one thing lynch has ever done, the back half of the final s2 twin peaks episode would have to be it. unparalleled and properly haunting.
― reverse-periscoping (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:44 (six years ago) link
yes, that and the amazing episode 8 of the return, and I'd maybe even throw in the final episode of the return...among the best bits of Lynche's oeuvre
― akm, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:59 (six years ago) link
I admire Episode 8 and never want to watch it again.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 00:24 (six years ago) link
I'm not a Lynch fan who gives much of a shit about the original show
fp bait
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 March 2018 08:55 (six years ago) link
cross out "not"
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 12:15 (six years ago) link
You're a lynch fan who gives much of a shit about the original show?
― scotti pruitti (wins), Sunday, 4 March 2018 12:22 (six years ago) link