Anyway yes there's formula at work of course -- Christopher Priest rightly pointed that out in his otherwise wall to wall rave -- but the comparatively focused Big (Intercut) Battle Sequence at the end works well precisely because of how smallish in scale it is. There's a big group battle but not armies, for instance. The wider implications of what happens if Black Panther and company lose lends it all heft without having to demonstrate it in full.
(And I have to say 'Black Panther and company' rather than the 'good guys' because man do Coogler and company do a hell of a job in setting up Erik Killmonger as damaged product of a society who also has more than one damn good point to make throughout the film.)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 February 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
Anyway, getting back to Wright, her Q Branch scene alone was top notch. Hell, she should be the next Q if Ben W. wants to do something else.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 February 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
all bond films are bad so no
plus the Q scenes are always the ones that should be cut first (followed by every other scene)
― mark s, Friday, 16 February 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
the REAL film-stealer was Letitia Wright
best Q ever (ready for jodie whittaker's Dr W!)
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 16 February 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
The shade of Desmond Llewelyn is sad!
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 February 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
Tbh most bonds would be most improved by completely eliminating the supervillains
Bond operating in this world of middle management politics and never even sure if it's anything but shadow boxing all emanating from Whitehall
The namesh shmiley, georsh shmiley
― rum dmc (darraghmac), Friday, 16 February 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
the car chase sequence was badass. no fucks given about property damage
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 16 February 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
all bond films are bad so nowrong, On Her Majesty's Secret Service is good
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Friday, 16 February 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link
Letitia Wright and Lupita Nyango and Danai Gurira >>>> everybody else
― rb (soda), Friday, 16 February 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link
Also I love Michael B. Jordan, but his demeanor and the backstory did NOT work for me. In the second part of the film, his MIT educated, special forces thing disappeared into something... less interesting.
― rb (soda), Friday, 16 February 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
Would disagree. I found that to be helpful backstory that made the character and Jordan's portrayal of same more complex. You can only do so much in a two hour film.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 February 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
I loved the contradiction of him being this man with amazing potential living as a raw nerve. All of the power with absolutely no love for or faith in anything. It made it clear that Wakanda needed to move forward with patience, control, and understanding — all the things he never had
― mh, Friday, 16 February 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
This has to be the only time I’ve known exactly what the credits scenes would be, not because I’d heard in advance what they were but because it was well telegraphed exactly what would have to happen, and they both really worked with the film. Both the one providing a coda to the film’s themes and the one linking the movie to Marvel universe dan service fit really well.
― mh, Friday, 16 February 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
fan service, that isany dans can weigh in as to their level of service
Marvel universe dan service
― albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 February 2018 20:51 (six years ago) link
Enjoyed the hell out of thisMichael B Anthony thirst is real my god he was mesmerizing 😍
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 February 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link
Is this a spoilers thread now asking for a me
― rum dmc (darraghmac), Friday, 16 February 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
spoiler: Susan B Jordan is sexxy in this film
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Friday, 16 February 2018 23:45 (six years ago) link
2 xy for Mike thirst
― rum dmc (darraghmac), Friday, 16 February 2018 23:47 (six years ago) link
FUCK i meant michael b jordanmy brain fucks up his name all the time & it sucks bcz i have loved him forevermichael b *jordan* thirst is real
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 February 2018 23:52 (six years ago) link
holy shit @ Susan b Jordan
― Simon H., Friday, 16 February 2018 23:53 (six years ago) link
Are you
koogin yr jords
would u say xp
― rum dmc (darraghmac), Friday, 16 February 2018 23:54 (six years ago) link
the scene between him & sterling k brown killed me, so good Danai Gurira flying around kicking ass in that red dress in the casino was stellar. So many great women in this movie!! Ugh. Heaven.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 February 2018 23:55 (six years ago) link
sidebar: my coworker was college roommates with exec producer Nate Moore
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 February 2018 23:57 (six years ago) link
theater was packed at our noon showing which was awesome HUGE cheer for the “Oakland 1992” title card
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 February 2018 00:09 (six years ago) link
Yeah when that happened and Too Short started playing, you kinda felt the theater click into place.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 17 February 2018 00:46 (six years ago) link
yeah that was the cherry on top for sure
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 February 2018 00:54 (six years ago) link
This has to be the only time I’ve known exactly what the credits scenes would be, not because I’d heard in advance what they were but because it was well telegraphed exactly what would have to happen...
― mh, Friday, February 16, 2018
yeah the setup for the second stinger in particular was very nicely done
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 February 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link
Took the kids tonight, we all had a fine time. At one point the (African-American) woman sitting next to me turned to her companion and said, "This is some groundbreaking shit." Really felt like it too -- as familiar as all the superhero trappings are, it makes a big difference to a.) set it mostly in mythical Africa and b.) have pretty much everybody on screen except Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis be black. Loved Wakanda, it's totally the realization of 50 years of Afrofuturism. Great cast, and Ryan Coogler sure knows what he's doing.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 17 February 2018 05:54 (six years ago) link
i loved when they'd wake up after drinking the flower juice and they were in herbie hancock album covers. that was dope.
― akm, Saturday, 17 February 2018 06:00 (six years ago) link
I want Danai Gurira to beat me up.
"This is some groundbreaking shit." Really felt like it too -- as familiar as all the superhero trappings are, it makes a big difference to a.) set it mostly in mythical Africa and b.) have pretty much everybody on screen except Martin Freeman and Andy Serkis be black. Loved Wakanda, it's totally the realization of 50 years of Afrofuturism. based on comics from 46 years ago
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Saturday, 17 February 2018 09:53 (six years ago) link
the breakthrough is when sun ra's band switched from fezzes to egyptian headgear
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5_it5HlEe6Q/Uy5yahccQNI/AAAAAAAACBY/aiofmgzVTV4/s1600/Sun-Ra-fez.jpg
― mark s, Saturday, 17 February 2018 10:41 (six years ago) link
In my twitter I have mostly seen negative takes, mostly of the this is US imperialism variety.
This is in that mode, and was one of the more convincing:
Black Panther is a deeply evil film. It dangles the idea of global black liberation in front of you, paints that as villainous, then ends in an orgy of the freest black people to ever walk the earth slaughtering each other to protect whites. That shit turned my stomach.— L. (@leslieleeiii) February 17, 2018
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 February 2018 12:12 (six years ago) link
Yeah there are obvious limits to the radicalism of corporate superhero movies. (And with the movie playing out a cartoon version of Martin vs Malcolm, there’s never any question about its sympathies.) But anti-spectacle lefties tend to underestimate the value of representation.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 17 February 2018 12:20 (six years ago) link
A reason I warmed to what he was saying is that he also likes Blade
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 February 2018 12:24 (six years ago) link
the notion that blade has better politics seems… strained
― mark s, Saturday, 17 February 2018 13:53 (six years ago) link
sorry ur twitter peeps didn’t get the Inglorious Panther they were expecting
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 February 2018 13:57 (six years ago) link
the point twitter is trying to make is undercut a bit by the fact that the on-screen characters come to the same conclusion
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:08 (six years ago) link
ie, they realize they're fighting their own community due to manipulation by their new king and immediately stand down.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:09 (six years ago) link
based on comics from 46 years ago
Which were groundbreaking too. But obv there's an enormous gulf between a comic aimed at a subset of superhero readers -- a niche of a niche -- and a big-bash Hollywood spectacular that has probably already been seen by more people than have read a Black Panther comic in the past 50 years.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:23 (six years ago) link
I mean, it’s never clearly spelled out but the implication is that Killmonger’s plan isn’t about justice at all, and is purely about revenge and power, is there. And he pretty much acknowledges he doesn’t care how Wakanda or any country ends up, he just wants to destroy the current world
― mh, Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:26 (six years ago) link
yeah, the multitude of governments he destabilized elsewhere weren't really done in the name of liberation
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:29 (six years ago) link
the more I think about this take the more garbage it is.bloody revolution isn’t painted as villainous - it’s painted as sympathetic, even justified, and deeply self-destructivenobody slaughters anyone in the 3rd act bunfight - somehow with all those edged weapons flashing around not a drop of blood is shed, all downed vehicles seem to be piloted by remote, and the fight literally stops short on a sloppy tongue kiss.If there’s a case to be made that Black Panther is a deeply evil film (and I sympathize with the tweeter’s distress while yes laughing my balls off at the hyperbole) we could look at its explicit valorization of American-style economic and cultural imperialism
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:34 (six years ago) link
lol xpost coulda just said Neanderthal otm
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:36 (six years ago) link
i do think we're obviously meant to sympathize with Killmonger. he was left fatherless in Oakland in a year that was particularly volatile regarding race relations. some of what he says inspires T'Chaka to change his nations non-interventionist politics.
Killmonger's heel turn isn't him wanting to free the oppressed, it's that he let his politics get muddy along the way. he acts more like an autocrat than a liberator, destroying all of the vibranium plant to ensure he'd never be overthrown in a challenge (since now there would be no Black Panther reward).
he also sows division among his own people and inspires the natives into civil war.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:44 (six years ago) link
*T'Challa
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:47 (six years ago) link
while we’re on the topic of imperialism and revolution, in a weird way I think the museum scene is my favorite thing in this movie
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:54 (six years ago) link
i want to see the welsh exhibit, where all the weapons are made of LEEKS
― mark s, Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:59 (six years ago) link
just got out of thisfucking loved it holy shit
― albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 17 February 2018 14:59 (six years ago) link