so many great roles for women too, and they play a key role in wrapping up the conflict
― albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 17 February 2018 15:15 (six years ago) link
yeah the gender politics are as central as the racial, just not stated as explicitly
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 17 February 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
so the guys at breitbart like this one
― F# A# (∞), Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link
i dislike all superhero movies and am only interested in seeing this for kendrick soundtrack in a theater, haven't seen anyone mention it itt. anything?
― sleepingbag, Saturday, 17 February 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
it's there, but seldom takes center stage
my prediction that it'd barely be in the film was luckily wrong, it's in there! the symphonic score is pretty well-placed, too
― mh, Saturday, 17 February 2018 21:42 (six years ago) link
so many performances of nuclear-grade charisma from actors we’d only usually see rationed out to supporting performances here and there
Totally otm, loved this.
Also loved hearing a bit of Mozzy's "Sleepwalkin" towards the end. And loved basically everything else
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:20 (six years ago) link
the soundtrack is barely present. Disappointingly so, I thought
― Number None, Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link
I thought this was...fine. It was fun to see all the cast getting stuck into these roles (and I thought Michael B. Jordan's last scene was genuinely moving) but as a film qua film I thought it was just above Marvel standard
the rhinos were a misstep
― Number None, Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link
It made sense as a choice for the soundtrack to be more prominent in the outside world, but give way to the score in isolated Wakanda
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link
rhinos are an hommage to "the travels of babar" iirc
― mark s, Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:36 (six years ago) link
you know what bugged me most about this was it starts a week after the events of civil war but chadwick boseman’s beard is at least a couple of weeks’ worth of growth longer than it was in that movieunforgivably sloppy imo
― albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:39 (six years ago) link
it's no batman begins
― mark s, Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:41 (six years ago) link
Good review
― rum dmc (darraghmac), Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:43 (six years ago) link
after we saw this my wife said that all the way through she was genuinely worried that nakia or okoye would end up dying at some pointonce the credits were rolling and they were both still kicking (uh spoilers i guess) she realised that it might have been cuz movies have kinda conditioned audiences to expect horrible things to happen to sidekicks/women/black people
― albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:53 (six years ago) link
― albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 17 February 2018 22:57 (six years ago) link
also: final fight involves a monorail
once the credits were rolling and they were both still kicking (uh spoilers i guess) she realised that it might have been cuz movies have kinda conditioned audiences to expect horrible things to happen to sidekicks/women/black people
― albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, February 17, 2018
and it's deeply disappointing that nothing horrible happens to martin freeman. every minute he's given in the third act made me crazy lol. (not his fault - he's great, just the part is completely unnecessary other than as a defensive placement to counter #notallcolonizers)
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:04 (six years ago) link
his presence was legit the worst thing about this movie cuz every time he showed up all i could think was ‘this is what this shithead believes irl’https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8FVWPpCAAIiWKf?format=jpg&name=medium
― albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:11 (six years ago) link
jesus
"I really liked hip-hop until the gangsta rap took over. I come from a time when not every rap record was 'nigga' this and 'nigga' that; an earlier socially and morally conscious hip-hop sensibility, when it was, 'Don't call people nigga'.""But now it's nigga, nigga, nigga, and it's not funny or interesting politically, artistically or socially. I really don't like it.
"But now it's nigga, nigga, nigga, and it's not funny or interesting politically, artistically or socially. I really don't like it.
― Number None, Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:40 (six years ago) link
typical fkn hobbit
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 18 February 2018 02:27 (six years ago) link
haven't seen this yet but was caught by the straight-facedness of this headline
https://shadowandact.com/erik-killmonger-forgotten-wakanda/?utm_content=buffer05587&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
― Simon H., Sunday, 18 February 2018 04:36 (six years ago) link
?utm_content=buffer05587&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Sunday, 18 February 2018 04:52 (six years ago) link
oh man now shadowandact.com is going to know we clicked on that link on facebook using a link promoted via the buffer tool :(
― mh, Sunday, 18 February 2018 05:16 (six years ago) link
we didn't tho
help stet make ad $ again
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Sunday, 18 February 2018 07:49 (six years ago) link
David Brothers:
The black cast and...ambiance (for lack of a better) is tight. But treating this as a civil rights victory or the first time we’ve been here feels like erasure to me. It’s a Marvel movie with a cool cultural hook after actual decades of lip service. Let it be what it is.— brothers before others, LLC (@hermanos) February 16, 2018
(part of a small thread)
also, his and Tucker Stone's analysis of Panther's Rage by McGregor & Graham & al got compiled and republished this week :Fear Of A Black Panther
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Sunday, 18 February 2018 07:51 (six years ago) link
great stuff. thanks for sharing the link.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 18 February 2018 15:50 (six years ago) link
Film crit hulk had an interesting take : https://filmcrithulk.blog/2018/02/17/black-panthers-right-thing/
― T'Chadwick (voodoo chili), Sunday, 18 February 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
yeah that’s a good piecethis part resonated in particular:
Wakanda’s very existence posits that what actually stopped Africa’s development was the theft of Africa itself. From the theft of resources, to the theft of their bodies, to the theft of their very personhood.
― albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 18 February 2018 17:13 (six years ago) link
In blunt business terms this is fully rampaging:
https://deadline.com/2018/02/black-panther-thursday-night-preview-box-office-1202291093/
Disney is reporting Sunday estimates of $192M over 3-days for Black Panther and $218M over four, however, Black Panther domination is far from over. Industry estimates indicating a $195M three-day for Marvel’s Black Panther and a $225M 4-day. That four-day is a wild number, some have it as low as $218M and others well north of $230M.
As someone noted on Twitter, if you want a bit of hilarity -- if it does in fact hit $230 million, then it will surpass Justice League....'s entire domestic run. ($228 million.)
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 February 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
martin freeman seems to be yet another of these fucking awful wite-pod-people grown from cuttings from the wellerian-wiggins genus. what a fucking cunt.
― calzino, Sunday, 18 February 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
Meantime, enjoyed this reflection on the movie greatly:
https://theglowup.theroot.com/dont-play-with-our-emotions-black-panther-and-queer-re-1823022917
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 February 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
he's been in a Weller video xpost
― Number None, Sunday, 18 February 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link
there's a surprise!
― calzino, Sunday, 18 February 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
*thinks up wildwood/mirkwood joke**deletes account/brain*
― mark s, Sunday, 18 February 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
Freeman is hardline leftist Labour iirc, he was one of the early celebrity Corbyn supporters in the leadership election and has been in at least one Lab PPB since.
He also voted and campaigned for Scargill's breakaway Labour party in 2001 because he could never dream of voting for a right wing sell-out like Blair who he's talked about ruining Labour.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Sunday, 18 February 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link
he still seems like a complete twat in that old Mail piece.
― calzino, Sunday, 18 February 2018 18:19 (six years ago) link
calzino are there any British people who have been on camera that you don’t hate
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 18 February 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
mrs slocombe obv
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 February 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
just ignore me, celebz r gr8.
― calzino, Sunday, 18 February 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
it’s long been established on britisher ilx that martin freeman is bad not good iirc
― albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 18 February 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
god almighty have we worked for nothing?
― Big Ched aka The Cheesedriver (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 18 February 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
Ye have been disregarded as fringe lunatics long since
Sure many of ye tolerate dr who ffs
― rum dmc (darraghmac), Sunday, 18 February 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link
gj film crit hulkthanks for sharing that. I gave up on him over the schtick so long ago and I would have completely missed it and I’m glad I didn’t. that’s the movie I saw, and that’s the way I read it.it’s a larger issue and it’s the reason artists are always first against the wall but the inability of both woke and racist twitter to tolerate the least ambiguity is maddening.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 18 February 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
I thought this was pretty good, though perhaps not as great as it's been made out to be. As per the usual, I doubt I'd be able to sit through it again. Loved the actors, though Freeman was totally unnecessary and Whitaker, as usual as of late, teeters on the brink of terrible.
The only thing that bugged me at all (and it's a minor thing, which I suppose is doubly impressive) is the notion that Martin Freeman's character would be impressed by Wakanda tech in a world with Iron Man and his tech, space aliens, flying fortresses, killer robots, the Vision, Hulks, Thors etc. The bar is set pretty high. Like, "wow, you have hover trains?" Don't pretend to be impressed, Martin Freeman.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 February 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link
It's because he's racist
― rum dmc (darraghmac), Sunday, 18 February 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
Wow, thanks for the Film Hulk tip upthread, I forgot he existed, too, but that essay was great.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 February 2018 19:56 (six years ago) link
i wanted to love this but i kinda didn't. everyone looked amazing though. i just wanted to see lupita and danai and black panther go out into the wider world and kick ass for two hours. but the set-up took so long and all you got was the guy from friday night lights being all pissed off. so the korea part was my fave part i guess. the rhino battle just wasn't that amazing. i wish their enemy had been the c.i.a.
also they should have left that c.i.a. guy to die. who wants to see him be a hero? he was dumb.
― scott seward, Sunday, 18 February 2018 21:29 (six years ago) link
the rhino battle just wasn't that amazing. i wish their enemy had been the c.i.a.
Ha ha, I agree!
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 February 2018 21:37 (six years ago) link
I thought it was pretty obvious that Freeman is supposed to be the white audience surrogate and that his reaction to the whole underground Wakanda setup is genuine, and from essentially the same context as a person who has seen all the preceding terrestrial Marvel movies. He’s also there as a setup for a lot of decent gags. Basically, he is Agent Everett K. Ross, but with a less pathetic back story than the comic book version. I don’t see why people have such a problem except the general hatred of Freeman that seems to pervade the ilxosphere.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 19 February 2018 03:38 (six years ago) link
My wife asked if this Ross was related to Thunderbolt Ross and I didn't know the answer.
― WilliamC, Monday, 19 February 2018 03:54 (six years ago) link