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Good news everyone

Slavoj Žižek says that Jordan Peterson is a conspiracy theorist and accepts his invitation to debate, choosing New York City in October. https://t.co/pDhg1c7Ec0

— Jack Smith IV (@JackSmithIV) February 19, 2018

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 19 February 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link

Hell yes

flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link

stoked for the madness

(what are the chances peterson is gonna end up disgraced and abandoned by october tho)

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 19 February 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link

Totally disagree with ppl itt saying that Peterson isn't worth serious critique or debate. that kind of intellectual/cultural elitism only emboldens Peterson and makes his audience grow. glad that Zizek is going to debate him. I thought his column about the lack of critique from the left and the lack of a defense beyond a patronizing "it's self evident" from the left was otm.

flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 19:33 (six years ago) link

peterson isn't worth of debate and it's not due to elitism - he's a tenured professor at U of T and now best-selling author, he is the elite - it's that his ideas aren't worth engaging with and it's best not to give him the oxygen of publicity

khat person (jim in vancouver), Monday, 19 February 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link

zizek is an entertainer and troll as much as a thinker so it makes sense for his brand

khat person (jim in vancouver), Monday, 19 February 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link

whatever you think of his ideas, he needs to be engaged because of the audience he's garnering: very impressionable and seemingly more open-minded to criticism than fans of other explicitly alt right figures. Zizek is the perfect person to do it precisely for the reasons you stated

flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link

if they debate and zizek hands his ass to him, it will do nothing to dissuade or deter peterson's fans who will maintain that he crushed zizek with logic

khat person (jim in vancouver), Monday, 19 February 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link

flappy bird otm.

pomenitul, Monday, 19 February 2018 19:48 (six years ago) link

this is gonna be awesome but anyone who thinks zizek is going to debunk jp or whatever doesn't understand zizek

Mordy, Monday, 19 February 2018 19:48 (six years ago) link

if they debate and zizek hands his ass to him, it will do nothing to dissuade or deter peterson's fans who will maintain that he crushed zizek with logic

― khat person (jim in vancouver), Monday, February 19, 2018 2:43 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

some, maybe. but this is fatalistic and again, dangerously dismissive. he needs to be interrogated, even if it starts with Zizek. certainly an improvement over some hapless cable tv host or sam fuckin harris

flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link

nah, flappy, you're wrong on this. Peterson is the intellectual equivalent of a toddler throwing spaghetti at the wall, or a Rorschach test for bigoted assholes. He introduces so much bullshit so quickly and his audiences are so gullible and so filled with unearned intellectual confidence that any critique is gonna be useless.

Peterson looked like an idiot in that vice interview, but do you see fans of his saying, "Oh, man, the emperor has no clothes after all. What was I thinking?"?

bamcquern, Monday, 19 February 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link

like I'd love to see Peterson get flustered because Zizek asks him questions on subjects he always suggests he has expertise in, like "Can you name two self-avowed postmodernists and give a brief summary of what they believe?" or something about Marxist bugbears like secular stagnation and financialization, but his audience doesn't admire Peterson for his erudition or his intellectual integrity, and they're gonna enthusiastically slurp up whatever dodge he offers them.

bamcquern, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:10 (six years ago) link

again zizek is not going to debunk him. if anything i think zizek may be able to draw interesting ideas out of him or at least locate grounds for debate that are productive. i very seriously doubt he's going in to do a fisking of JP and i expect at least a few occasions where they are able to "find common ground." it'll be entertaining af but be prepared don't be disappointed.

Mordy, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:11 (six years ago) link

ps my roommate has been mainlining this dude's lectures and proselytizing about him and I hate him so much

bamcquern, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:11 (six years ago) link

ugh my condolences

khat person (jim in vancouver), Monday, 19 February 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link

I'm sorry (not sorry) but any of you who think a "debate" between two self-fellating white men on the moot topic of white male supremacy is worthwhile, necessary, or might "draw some interesting ideas out," or all of the above, are on some very, very heavy and bad drugs that are affecting your ability to think your way out of a paper bag that's had the bottom cut out. You also seem grossly ignorant of what period of history we're living in. If you want to appreciate it like some kind of noize actionist art show, fine, but please please please don't act like either of these dudes has any merit other than challopsing at saddos with the full force of their solitaire scrabble scores.

Trying to think of something less relevant to human existence that's planned for eight months from now and can't come up with one.

El Tomboto, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link

if you don't see how zizek debating jp will be entertaining you should just pull your head out of your ass and stop worrying about being the wokest white guy in the room

Mordy, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:35 (six years ago) link

Agree with Tombot 1000%. Both these men should be fired naked out of a space shuttle hatch; the video of them exploding into frozen meat-shards would be infinitely more illuminating than anything either of them has ever thought, said, or written.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 19 February 2018 20:36 (six years ago) link

I find it entertaining to say "fuck you, clown" to people who pay so little attention to the world that they think this is going to be worth anyone's time

El Tomboto, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:37 (six years ago) link

sure but

challopsing at saddos

new board description

persona non gratin (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 19 February 2018 20:37 (six years ago) link

el tomboto otm

Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:41 (six years ago) link

"You also seem grossly ignorant of what period of history we're living in." sorry but this is dumb af

Mordy, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link

If you want to appreciate it like some kind of noize actionist art show, fine

El Tomboto, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link

saddo as an insult all the time lately, why. seems a little kick-someone-while-they're-down-y. fuck the happyos imo.

sleepingbag, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:52 (six years ago) link

lol at the thread that got bumped while i was typing that

sleepingbag, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:54 (six years ago) link

some, maybe. but this is fatalistic and again, dangerously dismissive. he needs to be interrogated, even if it starts with Zizek. certainly an improvement over some hapless cable tv host or sam fuckin harris

― flappy bird, lundi 19 février 2018 14:50 (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dunno if it crossed the border but he has been endlessly interrogated here in Canada. However, the fans of The Great Jordan Alpha will keep claiming he has Logic™ and Science™ on his side so no one will be effectively convinced, and the fact that he managed to deftly monetize so much of these debates or these columns is exactly how his mini-empire is growing. A video can be edited on so many ways and we all know which parts the fans will keep for posterity, which parts they will ignore (who now even branded themselves as lobsters for some reason), and all of that matters little, because he is not an intellectual but a preacher. And the choir has him as some father figure, a bunch of lost boys who felt betrayed by women by whatever method and who are generally aimless (a friend of mine is exactly of this kind and finds him very interesting/likes him). What I'm trying to say, and parroting what El Tomboto explained, is that there is absolutely nothing to gain from a debate with this guy, and if it is in your heart to engage with the problem Peterson represents, engage with the individuals that love him so much instead of the Grand Master zhimself.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 February 2018 21:03 (six years ago) link

Peterson should just debate a scarecrow since he's usually only arguing strawmen anyway

Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Monday, 19 February 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link

interrogations and arguments change people's minds almost as infrequently as condemnation

ogmor, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link

so the only way to depopularise jordy p is to...

imago, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link

wait till they realize the snake oil has changed nothing in their lives.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link

@jordanbpeterson I have admired your work for years, sir, and am thrilled at your sudden success. You changed my life years ago and I want to say thank you. Thank you.

— Norm Macdonald (@normmacdonald) February 15, 2018



did we do this one yet

Clay, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link

What's the danger of ignoring how other ppl listen to Jordan peterson

DUMPKINS! (darraghmac), Monday, 19 February 2018 22:55 (six years ago) link

might miss the odd lazy zing idk

Big Ched aka The Cheesedriver (Noodle Vague), Monday, 19 February 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link

Fuck ya

You know just where to aim

DUMPKINS! (darraghmac), Monday, 19 February 2018 22:59 (six years ago) link

xp the same way you change your thinking about anything, by getting more expansive, either by going deeper in & teasing it out or, if you have ppl's attention, by elucidating a more convincing view attractively

ogmor, Monday, 19 February 2018 23:20 (six years ago) link

otm

flappy bird, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 06:25 (six years ago) link

so the only way to depopularise jordy p is to...

― imago

convince the world that he was the guy who did "dur dur d'etre bebe"

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 07:46 (six years ago) link

News nobody everybody saw coming: Milo dropping lawsuit against former publisher

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link

aww but he was doing such a good job of defending himself

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link

lol I didn't even know his garbage book came out

omar little, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link

And all it cost him was $$$s and the chance for us all to learn that even the clueless editors at S&S who commissioned the book thought he was a risible, terrible, moronic writer.

too notch (stevie), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link

man, FUCK norm macdonald

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link

milol

maura, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link

Milo is selling supplements on Infowars. This is not a drill. pic.twitter.com/zieQXOqtRi

— Ross McCafferty (@RossMcCaff) February 21, 2018

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link

Milo's entire purpose to the right wing condensed into a 16 sec clip pic.twitter.com/qWvvdpxgbm

— PeterNorway (@classiclib3ral) February 22, 2018

too notch (stevie), Thursday, 22 February 2018 10:21 (six years ago) link

talking about this today in my new job which i started last week

MIlo worked here for a couple of months (2013ish need to check). CEO went on holiday with him in Nassau

anvil, Thursday, 22 February 2018 22:02 (six years ago) link

NOBODY is talking about how the online depression community has been infiltrated by alt-right recruiters deliberately preying on the vulnerable.

There NEED to be public warnings about this. 'Online pals' have attempted to groom me multiple times when at my absolute lowest.

— Mister Happy Die Happy (@MrHappyDieHappy) February 23, 2018

Milton Parker, Monday, 26 February 2018 09:47 (six years ago) link


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