if you don't see how zizek debating jp will be entertaining you should just pull your head out of your ass and stop worrying about being the wokest white guy in the room
― Mordy, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:35 (six years ago) link
Agree with Tombot 1000%. Both these men should be fired naked out of a space shuttle hatch; the video of them exploding into frozen meat-shards would be infinitely more illuminating than anything either of them has ever thought, said, or written.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 19 February 2018 20:36 (six years ago) link
I find it entertaining to say "fuck you, clown" to people who pay so little attention to the world that they think this is going to be worth anyone's time
― El Tomboto, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:37 (six years ago) link
sure but
challopsing at saddos
new board description
― persona non gratin (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 19 February 2018 20:37 (six years ago) link
el tomboto otm
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:41 (six years ago) link
"You also seem grossly ignorant of what period of history we're living in." sorry but this is dumb af
― Mordy, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link
If you want to appreciate it like some kind of noize actionist art show, fine
― El Tomboto, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
saddo as an insult all the time lately, why. seems a little kick-someone-while-they're-down-y. fuck the happyos imo.
― sleepingbag, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:52 (six years ago) link
lol at the thread that got bumped while i was typing that
― sleepingbag, Monday, 19 February 2018 20:54 (six years ago) link
http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/big_cd4fdd4b37-120x150.jpg
― F# A# (∞), Monday, 19 February 2018 20:58 (six years ago) link
some, maybe. but this is fatalistic and again, dangerously dismissive. he needs to be interrogated, even if it starts with Zizek. certainly an improvement over some hapless cable tv host or sam fuckin harris
― flappy bird, lundi 19 février 2018 14:50 (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Dunno if it crossed the border but he has been endlessly interrogated here in Canada. However, the fans of The Great Jordan Alpha will keep claiming he has Logic™ and Science™ on his side so no one will be effectively convinced, and the fact that he managed to deftly monetize so much of these debates or these columns is exactly how his mini-empire is growing. A video can be edited on so many ways and we all know which parts the fans will keep for posterity, which parts they will ignore (who now even branded themselves as lobsters for some reason), and all of that matters little, because he is not an intellectual but a preacher. And the choir has him as some father figure, a bunch of lost boys who felt betrayed by women by whatever method and who are generally aimless (a friend of mine is exactly of this kind and finds him very interesting/likes him). What I'm trying to say, and parroting what El Tomboto explained, is that there is absolutely nothing to gain from a debate with this guy, and if it is in your heart to engage with the problem Peterson represents, engage with the individuals that love him so much instead of the Grand Master zhimself.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 February 2018 21:03 (six years ago) link
Peterson should just debate a scarecrow since he's usually only arguing strawmen anyway
― Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Monday, 19 February 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link
w/r/t lobsters: https://theconversation.com/psychologist-jordan-peterson-says-lobsters-help-to-explain-why-human-hierarchies-exist-do-they-90489
― rob, Monday, 19 February 2018 21:13 (six years ago) link
interrogations and arguments change people's minds almost as infrequently as condemnation
― ogmor, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link
so the only way to depopularise jordy p is to...
― imago, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link
wait till they realize the snake oil has changed nothing in their lives.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
@jordanbpeterson I have admired your work for years, sir, and am thrilled at your sudden success. You changed my life years ago and I want to say thank you. Thank you.— Norm Macdonald (@normmacdonald) February 15, 2018
― Clay, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
What's the danger of ignoring how other ppl listen to Jordan peterson
― DUMPKINS! (darraghmac), Monday, 19 February 2018 22:55 (six years ago) link
might miss the odd lazy zing idk
― Big Ched aka The Cheesedriver (Noodle Vague), Monday, 19 February 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link
Fuck ya
You know just where to aim
― DUMPKINS! (darraghmac), Monday, 19 February 2018 22:59 (six years ago) link
xp the same way you change your thinking about anything, by getting more expansive, either by going deeper in & teasing it out or, if you have ppl's attention, by elucidating a more convincing view attractively
― ogmor, Monday, 19 February 2018 23:20 (six years ago) link
otm
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 06:25 (six years ago) link
― imago
convince the world that he was the guy who did "dur dur d'etre bebe"
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 07:46 (six years ago) link
News nobody everybody saw coming: Milo dropping lawsuit against former publisher
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link
aww but he was doing such a good job of defending himself
― NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link
lol I didn't even know his garbage book came out
― omar little, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link
And all it cost him was $$$s and the chance for us all to learn that even the clueless editors at S&S who commissioned the book thought he was a risible, terrible, moronic writer.
― too notch (stevie), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link
man, FUCK norm macdonald
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
milol
― maura, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
Milo is selling supplements on Infowars. This is not a drill. pic.twitter.com/zieQXOqtRi— Ross McCafferty (@RossMcCaff) February 21, 2018
― i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
Milo's entire purpose to the right wing condensed into a 16 sec clip pic.twitter.com/qWvvdpxgbm— PeterNorway (@classiclib3ral) February 22, 2018
― too notch (stevie), Thursday, 22 February 2018 10:21 (six years ago) link
talking about this today in my new job which i started last week
MIlo worked here for a couple of months (2013ish need to check). CEO went on holiday with him in Nassau
― anvil, Thursday, 22 February 2018 22:02 (six years ago) link
NOBODY is talking about how the online depression community has been infiltrated by alt-right recruiters deliberately preying on the vulnerable. There NEED to be public warnings about this. 'Online pals' have attempted to groom me multiple times when at my absolute lowest.— Mister Happy Die Happy (@MrHappyDieHappy) February 23, 2018
― Milton Parker, Monday, 26 February 2018 09:47 (six years ago) link
long thread in there
― Milton Parker, Monday, 26 February 2018 09:48 (six years ago) link
Is there a way to try to get this young man help? At the end of the thread he keeps saying he is going to kill himself.
― treeship 2, Monday, 26 February 2018 12:32 (six years ago) link
at least arm him and get him to take out a few alt right recruiters before he goes
― smashong pumpgong (Noodle Vague), Monday, 26 February 2018 12:36 (six years ago) link
not funny imo
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 26 February 2018 13:17 (six years ago) link
I’m guessing the popularity of the thread will lead ppl to reach out to him. still, it’s jarring in our online age to have ppl make red flag statements like that and the vast majority of the responses breeze past them
― treeship 2, Monday, 26 February 2018 14:43 (six years ago) link
twitter is blocked on my computer - what's the nature of this infiltration? message boards? i know alt right people have infiltrated all sorts of communities, typically older communities with lax moderation - i think they've completely taken over, for instance, gamefaqs. i don't know what the online depression community is like, because i've never wanted to actively seek the company of other depressed people (it just works out like that in practice)
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Monday, 26 February 2018 15:06 (six years ago) link
2018 is crazy
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
a couple commenters mention that it's similar to scientology; another parallel that's not mentioned is the general disdain for therapists and psychologists among this crowd, to the point of discouraging people from seeing them ("go see a therapist" may be a cliche in certain communities and advice sites, but it's way better a cliche than the opposite)
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:36 (six years ago) link
might align with masculine attitudes toward talk therapy, that it's a waste of time & money, something that only women do, being unable to open up to someone.
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link
that's definitely a big part of it - "you're not the problem, snowflake society is the problem, so you don't need to be cured you need to get angry"
― smashong pumpgong (Noodle Vague), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
it's pretty obvious why a politics based on bigotry and blame wouldn't be too interested in self-analysis
― smashong pumpgong (Noodle Vague), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
this bullshit bias against talk therapy extends outside rightwing worlds, it's really depressing. only logical argument against it is prohibitive cost for some
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
oh sure they're not the only naysayers and there's all kinds of nuanced arguments to be had about the value of therapy and its structure as in industry but it's clear why the redpill crowd are agin it
― smashong pumpgong (Noodle Vague), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link
yeah there's sometimes a kernel of that (a lot of people in these communities self identify as "NEETs") but it isn't the entire story or even the biggest factor
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link
true
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/chuck-johnson-survivor-audition-tape_us_5a952956e4b02cb368c568be
― maura, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 21:48 (six years ago) link
The clash of titans. The great debate of our age.Who is the real enemy - postmodern neo-marxists, or neo-marxist postmodernists? pic.twitter.com/OTo6SoKIRx— Rocko's Modern Basilisk 🏴 (@InnerPartisan) February 26, 2018
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 22:09 (six years ago) link