do we tho would be my q xp
― NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
that video looks great, thx phil
― NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link
Before I saw it I read a review that said the fight scenes were kind of incoherent, especially from the director of Creed, but I didn't have any problems with the fight scenes (besides, like, why an armored rhino is a bigger advantage than flying spaceships with lasers and shit). However, I thought the foley effects (at least as they sounded in my theatre) were weird. Like, totally '80s action movie punches.
“You can’t have an advanced techno-tribal utopia without democracy” is the new “if you can just hyperspace kamikaze things why don’t they do it all the time” is the new “you can’t hear explosions in space”
To be fair, this entire movie was literally about the handwringing that comes with being an advanced civilization, yet what felt like half of the run time was shirtless people punching each other over a waterfall.
Dod they no longer have any magic blue flowers? She only saved that one ...
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
man I love Ryan Coogler's Oakland accent
― T'Chadwick (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
yes i was bothered about the last blue flower -- in the pub afterwards we decided it would be fairly easy to hide some as killmonger did not seem especially detail-orientated tbh
― mark s, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9VYzNUXGDA
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
ryan coogler is 31 btw
gonna sit awhile and quietly contemplate my mortality
― NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
xp I dunno, he seemed to hang about to check their work.
So either:
"The right/rite of challenge has been regrettably postponed indefinitely"
OR
"As Wakanda's protector, I am happy to swear in M'Baku as the first president of the Republic of Wakanda"
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
michael b. jordan will always be haddie braverman's troubled boyfriend alex to me.
speaking of bad panther, why did he even need that...uh, i don't know where klaw is supposed to be from...guy with the accent to help him steal that artifact? seemed like a waste of time. oh wait he needed his dead body to use as a calling card i guess...nevermind.
just dawned on me that the only white people in the movie were gollum and bilbo...
― scott seward, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
I'm sure there's some lesson in responsibility about a more technologically advanced nation not unilaterally deciding to arm people in less-developed nations in order to bring about regime change, but I just can't quite put my finger on it
― mh, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
Less-developed here includes the US tbf.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:07 (six years ago) link
You must have heard the pun scott
― DUMPKINS! (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:09 (six years ago) link
xp that's kind of the buried lede
― mh, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
i don't know where klaw is supposed to be from...guy with the accent
surely he was meant to be south african?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
lol yes, i mentioned that to the people i came with during their interrogation scene. no riddles, though.
― T'Chadwick (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
klaw's accent was (roughly) south african, yes
(i think his full marvel lineage is more complicated than that) (ie his dad was a nazi?)
― mark s, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:13 (six years ago) link
I like the light continuity of him just being some south african mercenary that, we now know, entered the story when he was contracted by a rogue Wakandan
so he's a villain, but it's refreshing when the actual antagonist wastes him partway into the movie
― mh, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
the part in the museum where Killmonger observes that security has been watching him like a hawk since he arrived but haven't been watching what she's been putting in her mouth was a good one. basically racism got them all killed.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link
Before I saw it I read a review that said the fight scenes were kind of incoherent, especially from the director of Creed...
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, February 20, 2018
The fight scenes in Creed were kind of incoherent too! Creed is not a very good movie!
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
i know i said it already but the museum scene is my favorite thing in the movie. i could "unpack" it but i almost don't want to disturb it...
but yeah, it's not just racism that bites our Africa Expert, it's the consequences of what she's been ingesting all this time...
the beat at the end of the scene, where killmonger reappropriates the mask not bc its vibranium, or even wakandan, but bc he's just feelin it... i could watch that over and over
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:43 (six years ago) link
And what color is coffee? Black!
I liked Creed.
Klaw (at least in this movie) is from South Africa. He even makes a reference to returning to Jo' Burg.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link
Killmonger's final monologue would have been incredibly heavy-handed in so many movies but I feel like it worked here? My jaw dropped in the the theater
― mh, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
xpost well sure i like some crap movies too but that doesn't make them good
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link
how many of the rhinos did Andy Serkis play
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
The final monologue was indeed all that.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
Final business end update:
http://deadline.com/2018/02/black-panther-thursday-night-preview-box-office-1202291093/
Disney has just confirmed what we saw earlier: Marvel’s Black Panther is the second-biggest 4-day opener of all-time at the domestic B.O. with $241.96M, after Force Awakens ($288M) and beating Star Wars: Last Jedi ($241.6M). Monday also marked an all-time record with $40.167M, beating Force Awakens‘ $40.11M (Dec. 21, 2015). Black Panther also posted the second best Sunday ever at the domestic B.O. with $60.096M behind Force Awakens ($60.5M).
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
"He even makes a reference to returning to Jo' Burg."
forgot about this. yes. maybe Die Antwoord can avenge his death in the next movie.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
I was thrown off by the heaviness of the monologue set against what looked like a backdrop for the (currently filming!) CGI The Lion King.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link
Ooof though when T'Challa takes the herb the second time and is yelling at his dad, the mystical land of the ancestors looks like a matte painting 3 feet behind his head.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
I wonder if that boils down to the distance you're sitting from the screen. We were up in the second tier and none of the CGI took me out of the film at all.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link
Interesting detail here to keep in mind, building on the much noted fact that Coogler is only 31 -- we've been so steeped in the 'filmmakers recalling the 80s' wider culture that we're missing other kinds of referents and acceleration, combined with the fact that ten years really is a long time:
https://io9.gizmodo.com/theres-more-going-on-in-black-panthers-end-credit-scene-1823050309
“I saw Iron Man the first day it opened,” Coogler told io9. “I was at film school the day it came out. I was in Los Angeles. Iron Man is the first movie I saw at the Arclight, which is like my favorite theater in Los Angeles."
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 18:48 (six years ago) link
As a friend said on Twitter: "a bit like when rock & roll starts being played by people who grew up listening to it"
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link
https://donmclean.files.wordpress.com/2003/02/leg1.jpg
― mark s, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link
many xposts omg Creed is a legit great movie so help me I will fight u rogermexico 🥊
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
I swear the site has been purposefully blocking me from posting to this thread
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:02 (six years ago) link
Oh cool, now that I’m in I’d mainly like to tell everyone who called Killmonger a villain instead of an antagonist to shut the fuck up
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:03 (six years ago) link
would like to have myself entered in the record as having aligned with that point previously
― mh, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:30 (six years ago) link
My local cinema does not appear to be showing this what the actual fuck
― Planck Blather (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:30 (six years ago) link
DJP otmVG MBJ alone is not enough to save a movie. See F4 if you want to test that theory lol.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:33 (six years ago) link
― NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:35 (six years ago) link
yeah haven't seen this yet but creed is v good
― Simon H., Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:37 (six years ago) link
Creed is good and it really should have been crap idk if that makes it great but it sure gets the director plenty of credit
― Planck Blather (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:39 (six years ago) link
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Tuesday, February 20, 2018 5:03 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 22:49 (six years ago) link
sorry for creed digression but i gotta defend my moviemy love for Creed isnt just bcz mbj is greati legit love it as a movie on its own but i love it especially as a rocky movie & how deftly it hooks onto the back of the existing mythology i love that it covered familiar “rocky” story beats but in a new wayadonis has a girlfriend but she’s successful too! and she’s all for him fighting! there’s no “voice of reason” like every other female partner in a boxing movieit gave you fan service in organic ways that were not cheesy but earnedit filled in subtle story gaps in ways that were interesting & made sense, like rock hadnt talked to mary anne since apollo’s funeralat the beginning when adonis stands in front of the youtube video of apollo & you think he’s going to shadow box as apollo but he shadowboxes AGAINST him & it’s like oh shit movie alright let’s go and it makes me cry like 5 times every time I watch it & i have seen it 10 times easy
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 23:24 (six years ago) link
would you believe I agree with almost all of that?when I posted earlier I almost added what makes Creed interesting isn’t that it’s good (bc it’s at best a fight scenario) but that Coogler found a rocky story worth telling at all. and as with Bo the attention to detail is really evident. This is not a guy who’s comfortable painting by numbers ever and that is fkn rare I will see anything he shoots.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 00:01 (six years ago) link
I’d mainly like to tell everyone who called Killmonger a villain instead of an antagonist to shut the fuck up
I get it, and allow me to provide everyone with some large salts in granulated form, but isn't "villain" kind of a genre jargon term for whomever the "hero" faces off against?
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 00:36 (six years ago) link
i went back & watched fruitvale & creed in the last few days & Coogler is so good at small, uber-personal & tightly focused stories cradled within these fairly huge settings/backdrops. his emotional beats are so good & so real that in being *so* personal and *so* focused that while speaking so beautifully to his & so many ppl’s specifically black experience, it’s unintentionally, or just naturally inclusive rather than isolating - because on some level, complicated unfiltered raw emotion, hurt, anger, loss, is relatably human as well. * i heard an interview the other day & i didn’t realize til then that he has a speech impediment. which only makes me love him more. my dad has a stutter so i always feel solidarity w ppl who are trying to overcome that.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 00:40 (six years ago) link
Really enjoyed this piece
https://www.theroot.com/audiences-across-africa-hail-black-panther-for-humanizi-1823155921
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 00:41 (six years ago) link
He's a guy who does bad things who needs to be stopped by the hero. That doesn't make him a villain? Is it just because he's angry and motivated?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 00:46 (six years ago) link