Something about not being stable in its native state. So look forward to that in Infinity War
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 04:39 (six years ago) link
https://gizmodo.com/can-black-panthers-vibranium-ever-be-real-1823226602
vibranium appears to absorb energy transmitted to it via particles much better than it deals with energy from waves, so presumably the sonic pressure waves around the maglev tracks are there to nullify the vibranium ores' more dangerous properties, which has the side effect of also making the black panther armor semi-useless. It's the same principle as noise cancelling headphones, but comic books.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 04:56 (six years ago) link
i loved this movie and when i showed my students a clip from Bird tonight in class, I said "this is the same guy from Black Panther!" and it reminded me how much I love Forrest Whitaker. Loved pretty much everything about this movie (and I know literally nothing about comic books or comic book movies aside from "there is DC and Marvel and they are different")
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 04:59 (six years ago) link
thing 1): most comic books do not have superheros in them
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 09:47 (six years ago) link
thing 2): every time someone on ilx says "comic books" when referring to the superhero sub-genre rather than the medium, sic will be there, like when the Cryptkeeper lights up the Archie-signal in comic book "The Walking Dead".
― Vernon Locke, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 10:04 (six years ago) link
i knew thing one, did not know thing 2 apols for the incorrect terminology. i am not trying to be annoying, i am just this way naturally.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 13:45 (six years ago) link
A few stray thoughts on the film, and I wasn't familiar with the comic.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 13:55 (six years ago) link
I only said bcz LL noted that she doesn't know anything!
and she lives basically around the corner from Chris Ware and Ivan Brunetti and Eddie Campbell and Jeffrey Brown and Jessica Campbell and Conor Stechschulte and Emil Ferris and Anya Davidson and Lucy Knisley and Perfectly Acceptable, could avoid some accidental awkwardness in a coffee shop
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
i just used the wrong terminology - i wasn't thinking about it very much when i posted. i meant superhero themed movies based on comics or whatever i was supposed to say. (i wouldn't recognize any of those people tbh, i do know who chris ware is)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 22:25 (six years ago) link
My point was directed at sic more than LL - most people know what you mean when you write "comic books". However, I just learned that that Eddie Campbell doesn't live in Brisbane anymore (may have been the case for years, I haven't kept up), so good job everyone.
― Vernon Locke, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 23:49 (six years ago) link
I need another look at the film in general I think but couple of things stuck in my mind. The vehicle interface thing looked like it was set up around existing chairs in both cases which they made a point of not being there when the ride was over. Am I seeing that wrong & the seats were just the first semi solid object that the technologyy manifested?
― Stevolende, Thursday, 1 March 2018 00:43 (six years ago) link
Boseman on sympathizing with Killmonger
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/28/17063218/chadwick-boseman-tchalla-enemy-black-panther
― Simon H., Thursday, 1 March 2018 00:52 (six years ago) link
Love T'Challa's accent
― gospodin simmel, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link
without sounding too spoilery, Killmonger would have been better written if he once acknowledged other benefits of Wakanda technology besides the one thing
― Woon... Doopee Time (FlopsyDuck), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:17 (six years ago) link
This thread went full spoiler a while ago
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:19 (six years ago) link
oh, i just read 10 posts back
― Woon... Doopee Time (FlopsyDuck), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:21 (six years ago) link
i never thought i would make an effort to see another marvel movie but felt like i'd be missing *a moment* if i didn't catch this in the theater. for something so thoroughly predictable i enjoyed it, mostly b/c the world-building and look felt new and interesting and the cast was engaging. i think the movie was pretty on-point when it came to reckoning w/the fact that wakanda is founded on a lie (made literal w/the orphaning of killmonger). that the solution to that is a liberal outreach program really shouldn't be a big deal, i'll reluctantly lol @ twitter leftists who forgot that this is a fantasy and/or want to see a lot of human beings die.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 03:53 (six years ago) link
a liberal outreach program with a spy as founding director!
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 05:15 (six years ago) link
How many times did this yute watch Black Panther because this accuracy has finished me this evening sjsjsjjsjsjsjsjs 😂😂😭 pic.twitter.com/sxAA6g7Aaf— manda (@Comanda_x) March 5, 2018
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 08:06 (six years ago) link
OMG dying
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:51 (six years ago) link
As is my wont, I got in on this too late to say anything as-yet-unsaid in this thread. Except maybe a quick + seemingly non-sequitur challop that occurred to me as I left the theater: that was waaay better than The Last Jedi.
― I'm not meltdown. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:56 (six years ago) link
And that video is everything.
― I'm not meltdown. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:59 (six years ago) link
The Last Jedi is doing different things though - Black Panther doesn't have 40 years of history to deal with, and the tradition it is in (superhero films), it's a perfectly standard example of (everything angle other than "a superhero film", it's 110% on)
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 8 March 2018 08:47 (six years ago) link
not a challop imo
― War, Famine, Pestilence, Death, Umami (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 8 March 2018 09:20 (six years ago) link
Black Panther has some layers the Last Jedi doesn't, but the Last Jedi is better at doing action movie stuff in a fresh way. Both have better sci-fi villains than the norm, though.
― abcfsk, Thursday, 8 March 2018 10:59 (six years ago) link
Both have the antagonist kill off the trite villain somewhere in the second act, too.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 8 March 2018 12:03 (six years ago) link
Black Panther doesn't have 40 years of history to deal with
Created in 1966! Though of course since general audiences don't know/care it can take its history as inspiration to pick and choose from, while with SW it's a weight it has to carry.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 8 March 2018 12:56 (six years ago) link
maybe a quick + seemingly non-sequitur challop that occurred to me as I left the theater: that was waaay better than The Last Jedi.
― I'm not meltdown. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, March 7, 2018
examines post closely for challops, finds nothing
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:44 (six years ago) link
just out
wasnt great at all
may not even have been good tbh
― things you looked shockingly old when you wore (darraghmac), Thursday, 8 March 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link
now that’s how you do challops itt
― War, Famine, Pestilence, Death, Umami (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 8 March 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link
deems, later: "in fact it didn't exist, and neither do movies"
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 22:18 (six years ago) link
i loved everyone in it and dim gonna read thread to see if theres been any dissensus cos three week old repetition aint no good
then ill be back
also its a better use of my time than ilx maleness
― things you looked shockingly old when you wore (darraghmac), Thursday, 8 March 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link
Now, before we proceed with the ugly part, let’s make a few things clear: no superhero movie needs to have good politics. In fact, none of them have, and probably none of them ever will, because the superhero genre does not lend itself to them easily. Vigilante action, power fantasy, and the idea that some people are just inherently superior are baked right into the recipe and extracted only with great effort and self-analysis; comics have attempted it only rarely and movies never. Furthermore, nobody ought to go into Black Panther — a multi-million-dollar product released by a mega-billion-dollar corporation — expecting it to be progressive, or woke, or even politically aware. That would be terribly naïve, and nobody should have done it; not before the movie was released, and not now.And that’s good, because, folks, the politics of Black Panther are pretty goddamn terrible. I’m not the first person to point this out — I especially recommend Ricky Rawls and Leslie Lee’s Twitter posts — but the plot of the movie essentially involves a heredity monarchy built on ritual combat monopolizing a natural resource to maintain a nationalist, isolationist system. When a legitimate heir to the throne appears and decides to use that resource to arm and equip oppressed people of color all over the world, he instantly becomes the villain. Rather than participate in anti-imperialist revolution, the country’s leaders opt for a violent civil war; the revolutionary figure (who, to boot, is portrayed like a mad-dog ghetto thug straight out of a paranoid NRA fantasy) is killed and the newly aware monarch settles for teaching inner city kids to code. As Lee puts it, Black Panther “dangles the idea of global black liberation in front of you, paints it as villainous, and then ends in an orgy of the freest black people to ever walk the Earth slaughtering each other to protect whites.”
There’s all sorts of other problems with the movie politically. The presence of the Martin Freeman character, a CIA agent who literally blows black people out of the sky to prevent them from aiding the struggle against people exactly like him, is a huge mistake, particularly in light of the real CIA’s real history with real African leaders. The movie also tries to have its cake and eat it too, in an obvious dodge swallowed whole by way too many Marvel stans, by implying that the problem with Killmonger isn’t his revolutionary intentions, but his violent means.
First of all, I have bad news for you, folks: the question ‘Is violence bad?’ is deeply and profoundly dumb and boring. Yes, violence is bad. So is cancer. The question is what we’re supposed to do about it. A much more interesting question is ‘Is violence effective?’; another is ‘When is violence justified?’ But Black Panther isn’t very interested in those questions, so we’re left to somehow accept that it’s bad for Killmonger to use violence to overthrow oppressive governments that exploit entire countries and wipe out entire populations, but it’s fine for T’Challa and his people to use violence to beat Killmonger — or, for that matter, to fuck around with slavers and child soldiers in neighboring countries, as long as the people they kill are other Africans.
It’s a complete ducking of the issue, made even more absurd by the fact that it takes place in the context of a superhero movie, where the whole genre is built in the idea that it’s fine to use violence against bad people. Do you remember any other Marvel or DC movie that did so much hand-wringing over the concept of violence? Apparently it’s only a concern when the violence might be targeted at the ruling classes. Beyond all that, as Rawls argues, the whole notion is bogus from the premise up: Wakanda has had incredible technology for a thousand years that puts them light-years beyond any other country on Earth, but it’s never even occurred to them to have a system of government slightly more responsive to human needs than a bloodline monarchy predicated on whoever is the best at beating the shit out of people? These aren’t inherent qualities of the narrative. These are choices made by writers, and they’re bad ones.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 13:00 (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Lol
― DUMPKINS! (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 13:11 (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol indeed because having watched it this screed is 100% correct
also the cgi was eye jarringly bad at times.
also his mate with the rhinos turned on him so quick and so terribly that it was woeful
also all the fight scenes were impossible to follow, just a mess
i wanted it to work, it was very cool, as ive said the entire cast was great, but guys this was not good.
― things you looked shockingly old when you wore (darraghmac), Friday, 9 March 2018 02:22 (six years ago) link
o ok
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 9 March 2018 02:42 (six years ago) link
if it was not good ... why did i enjoy it so much
― the late great, Friday, 9 March 2018 03:00 (six years ago) link
the pathologizing of killmonger (even in his name) is so evident it thumbs the scales, they have to make him crazy even though his entire plan is at one level completely rational
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 9 March 2018 03:32 (six years ago) link
Hey guyz, Boseman himself thinks Black Panther is the villain of the piece. There's room for multiple readings. Also 'Killmonger' is 40-year-old Marvel IP not some new thang they whipped up to stigmatize the antagonist. Just be thankful they refrained from calling M'Baku 'Man-Ape'.
― I'm not meltdown. (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 March 2018 04:44 (six years ago) link
I don't really get ppl casting Killmonger as some sort of valid depiction of black radicalism or whatever: dude's main motivation is revenge, and his objective is world domination (non-white parts of the world included). That he's also a victim of racism adds depth to the character but it doesn't make him a good stand-in for any kind of political thought, at the end of the day he's a comic book super villain.
Eh, it was telegraphed from the begining, dude made it pretty clear his loyalty was contingent on T'Challa adopting a new strategy of govt.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 9 March 2018 10:58 (six years ago) link
he turned in ten secs after first failed attempt of that clear strategy it was weak
― things you looked shockingly old when you wore (darraghmac), Friday, 9 March 2018 11:00 (six years ago) link
He already mistrusted T'Challa before this and the failure just confirmed his missgivings - it's not like the movie plays his betrayal as a great reveal or anything,
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 9 March 2018 11:03 (six years ago) link
yea he made comments about T'Chaka's failures insinuating long-standing frustration with his family's rule. and then a stranger shows up with a dead Klaue who T'Challa couldn't deliver.
what's so difficult about this
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 9 March 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
nothing difficult at all it was pish
lots of it was pish tbh
glad yall thpught it was great, genuinely.
― things you looked shockingly old when you wore (darraghmac), Friday, 9 March 2018 16:06 (six years ago) link
Anecdotally, I appreciated seeing this in a theater where the only white folks within my field of vision at a given moment were my gf and Martin Freeman. And even three weeks in, it was as packed as any movie I've been to in recent years.
― I'm not meltdown. (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 March 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
has now grossed over $1 billion worldwide
― Number None, Saturday, 10 March 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link
9th highest domestic gross of all time. 9th. Of all time. This thing hasn't even been out a month.
― Ape Wipes (Old Lunch), Saturday, 10 March 2018 23:11 (six years ago) link
man, imagine the numbers if it had been woke in the right way
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 10 March 2018 23:16 (six years ago) link
Imagine a world where people are critiquing a movie without concern for the box office bottom line because that’s how normal people interact with film
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 11 March 2018 04:09 (six years ago) link
Of course his character’s methodology and end game are awful but ... that’s what I mean about thumbing the scales. It sets up an unfair status quo and conflates revolutionary response with world domination, as if the only alternative to “foreign aid” style liberalism was being “just as bad but in reverse”; pathologizes the diasporic revolutionary as somehow “damaged” & irrational (due to the home country’s original sin, sure, but still pathologized) when his mo for most of the film (if not his stated end game) was entirely rational. The film took the safe route, making the hero an Obama type figure instead of a revolutionary, suggesting the revolutionary was while important as a tool for getting the country to open up to the outside world, too radical to be taken seriously.
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 11 March 2018 04:16 (six years ago) link
It’s not that the movie is “wrong” as much as “lacks the imagination to envision a world in which things were truly different”
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 11 March 2018 04:17 (six years ago) link
9th highest domestic gross of all time. 9th. Of all time.
unless you adjust for ticket prices, of course, which exposes the ESPN-style thing of "all time" beginning in 1998
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 March 2018 04:18 (six years ago) link