No Mr. Bus Driver, are you?
― Moo Vaughn, Friday, 23 March 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link
dunno what you mean by that but Aimless actually was a bus driver for a time iirc
― valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, 23 March 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link
No
Are you absolutely sure of that? Because the exact demographics these female cheers represent are potentially revelatory. Sure, we've established they are female, but there are approximately 170,000,000 females in the USA and they don't vote as a monolithic bloc, so we'll have to dig deeper than that to get to their true significance.
are you?
According to legend, yes. It's partly german, partly irish, plus some northern European odds and ends. Why is that important?
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 23 March 2018 16:02 (six years ago) link
dunno what you mean by that
― valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, March 23, 2018 4:00 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I hoped someone was old enough to get the reference
― Moo Vaughn, Friday, 23 March 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link
Aimless actually was a bus driver for a time
Correct. I spent five years transporting our nation's most precious resource (to coin a phrase) to and from school. It was a job.
You could probably make a guess and land within a few feet of what he meant.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 23 March 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
our nation's most precious resource
dank memes?
― bone thugs & prosody (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 23 March 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link
guns?
― playing in his high school band “The Velvet Pickle” (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 23 March 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link
Our precious bodily fluids.
― Moo Vaughn, Friday, 23 March 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
candidates who can opportunistically pivot left >>> inflexible centrists
― Simon H., Thursday, March 22, 2018 5:40 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
truly, lets go
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 24 March 2018 01:37 (six years ago) link
I'll make sure to say hello next time.
Don't, you creepy fucking turd.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 24 March 2018 01:53 (six years ago) link
drop it or sell tickets, dudes
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 24 March 2018 01:55 (six years ago) link
taking this long to ban him again = the lowest moment of the board
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 24 March 2018 02:07 (six years ago) link
Maybe you guys think he's too young or too low-profile or I dunno what, but I sure do like Pete Buttigieg.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 24 March 2018 23:06 (six years ago) link
I heard people talking about him (sporadically) after Hillary lost in 2016. Followed up at the time, but have already forgotten everything I learned about him.
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 25 March 2018 02:18 (six years ago) link
I thought he was really sharp when he ran for DNC chair--had i not been behind Ellison I woulda supported him.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 March 2018 05:11 (six years ago) link
my wife went todaywe were all gonna go but my daughter got scared that someone would shoot the protest and got pretty freaked out so we stayed home :(
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 25 March 2018 05:31 (six years ago) link
my daughter got scared that someone would shoot the protest
that right there, that's what has happened to us
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 25 March 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link
I thought the same. immiserating to know that and empathize with it.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 25 March 2018 19:56 (six years ago) link
i worried all day we'd hear news of that
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 26 March 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
And with shit like this that was not an unfounded worry. (Not my personal photo, internet.)
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh310/yodelagogo/NRA.jpg
― No energy, only great chaos (Dan Peterson), Monday, 26 March 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link
The guy with the gun is the most afraid person in that photo.
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 05:44 (six years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/25/books/mitch-landrieu-mayor-new-orleans-in-shadow-of-statues-interview.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/mitch-landrieu-new-orleans-trump.html
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 13:21 (six years ago) link
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/03/27/buttigieg-2020-president-off-message-217712
IDK, Veepstakes/Cabinet maybe. He's a Rhodes scholar, ok, but I don't really buy a 36 year old mayor of a 100K city. That's seven years younger than Julian Castro and 1/15th the size of San Antonio (which tbf has a weak mayor system iirc) without previous Cabinet experience. At least Seth Moulton, who's 39, has been in Congress three years. Did Buttigieg think he'd lose to Jackie Walorski or did he think that was beneath him?
I guess maybe someone thinks he and the 36 year old ex-MO SOS will draw the attention of millennials to the process. Maybe they're right.
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 13:43 (six years ago) link
I’m watching Hickenlooper speak at a conf RN and ehhhhh
― alomar lines, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 14:03 (six years ago) link
Experience doesn't matter anymore, buddy
― MooVaughn.org (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 14:04 (six years ago) link
At least in terms of electability
― MooVaughn.org (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 14:05 (six years ago) link
― alomar lines, Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:03 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yup
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 14:23 (six years ago) link
― MooVaughn.org (voodoo chili), Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:04 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― MooVaughn.org (voodoo chili), Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:05 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I wasn't necessarily referring to the latter, but I assure you that there are tens of millions of Americans who a) would regard a septuagenarian as automatically more qualified than a thirtysomething, and b) regarded Donald Trump in particular as having experience highly relevant to or desirable in the job.
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 14:25 (six years ago) link
this is why the US continued a long and proud tradition of electing 70-year-olds to the presidency. Or maybe Trump was the first one.
― MooVaughn.org (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link
Trump was the very first one
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link
it's possible that my DN is confusing when I'm arguing with the real deal
― MooVaughn.org (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
i thought Moo Vaughn was a reference to moveon.org in the first place
― had (crüt), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 14:54 (six years ago) link
i thought it was a cow-based pun on the former mets first baseman
― MooVaughn.org (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 14:56 (six years ago) link
wow i totally forgot Vaughn played for the Mets
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 14:57 (six years ago) link
"played"
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 15:01 (six years ago) link
― MooVaughn.org (voodoo chili), Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:48 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I guess Ronald Reagan wasn't 73 when he won reelection by the fifth largest normalized electoral margin in American history (or 17 days from 70 when he took office the first time, which was closer than Trump)? Name a 30 year old elected to the Presidency. No one under 35 is even eligible. There is no upper age limit other than the natural one, which only hit 70 on average for men in the late '70s.
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 15:21 (six years ago) link
Ike also served just into his '70s, William Henry Harrison would have served well into them had he not died 30 days into his term, as likely would have Andrew Jackson, who missed them by 11 days, had he chosen to run for a third term.
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 15:26 (six years ago) link
this is a very very dumb argument, so im going to shut it down after this.
there is absolutely no correlation between age and winning presidential elections. obama beat mccain, clinton beat bush, kennedy beat nixon. then again, reagan beat mondale, eisenhower beat stephenson, etc. age is simply not an aspect that a lot of voters care about when they go to the polls (and if they do, they're probably old!)
― MooVaughn.org (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
Via Public Policy Polling:
In hypothetical match ups for reelection Trump trails Joe Biden 56-39, Bernie Sanders 55-39, Elizabeth Warren 51-40, Cory Booker 49-39, Kamala Harris 43-39, and Kirsten Gillibrand 42-40. Trump is consistently at 39% or 40% no matter who you poll him against.
We also tested Trump against 2 other hypothetical opponents- although they are one and the same. In groundbreaking research PPP determined that someone’s porn star name costs them 10 points as a candidate for President. Stephanie Clifford leads Trump 42-41 in a hypothetical match up for reelection.
But tested under her stage name of Stormy Daniels, she trails Trump 41-32. Trump’s 41% is consistent across the two match ups, but when Clifford shifts to Daniels she loses 10 points of her support.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
damn, harris & gillibrand
― had (crüt), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
But Warren. It's just a matter of recognition right now. Serious campaigning is more than a year off.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
name recognition guys!
early numbers like these are essentially irrelevant.
poll from 7/2015: Clinton: 59Trump: 34
― sean gramophone, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
there's some joke in there with the punchline "-10 and still beating you off!"
― map, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
Also, isn't PPP one of the left-leaning pollsters?
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link
xxp is it a little different now that we know for sure that Trump will be the party nominee?
― MooVaughn.org (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
lots of things are going to come into play in 2020 that will be different, i think most obvious being that I can't imagine many Dem candidates if any having the same baggage via reputation and years of whispers about fake crimes that Hillary did (it was pretty clear that #nevertrump didn't make as large an impact as #neverhillary), and Trump won't have the same novelty he did in 2016. and the enthusiasm factor on the right will be lower this time around, obviously (as statistically noted.)
but then again the poll numbers before Nov 2016 and other factors being noted were trending left too so who the hell knows.
― omar little, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
any signs that polling tactics are going to change by 2020? i.e. doing it any other way than fucking landlines?
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link
decent chance the economy will take a serious hit before the election, also.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 27 March 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link
significant chance Republicans will lose Congress and have Dems pushing impeachment, also.
― Milking the Soft Power Dividend (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 19:46 (six years ago) link
My sense is that the Dems in power in Congress would be very much go-slow on the question of impeachment. They'll want Mueller to set the table for them and then take of a nibble of every dish to see if it tastes ok before they 'push impeachment'. The Dem base would need to kick up a huge stink to change that go-slow attitude to something more urgent.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link