Better Call Saul

s3 episode 9

welp

i guess it’s officially goodbye caring Jimmy, hello proto-Saul :/
i wanna crawl through the tv & shake him! this shit he’s pulling on poor sweet Irene makes me want to cry ;_;

this is the best show, but a disconnected battery is not a current source.

oh god i’ve been bawling non-stop through episode 10

chuck’s breakdown is so hard to watch.

Yeah. S3 is really intense. I can’t wait for the next one. It’s my favorite ongoing show, I think

oh god that ending

why did u make me watch this show i hate you all

poor chuck. he’s a motherfucker but oh god that destroyed me

;_;

i reread the thread & i’m surprised at the few underwhelmed comments re season 3 and/or the final ep. i thought it really shaded the greys so beautifully. and i love that it doesn’t put a bow on every plotline, but unravels or tangles one with another... it feels like a lived-in world where “plots” ie ppls lives ebb & flow or mistakes just repeat/repeat/repeat til they break and form new patterns.

dramatically, it’s so studied and beautiful that it looks boring bcz it mirrors so much of life irl; and yet still heightens it to make it watchable & interesting. that’s why it’s SO good.

sorry for shitposting - one last thing

Francesca, Kim & Jimmy’s receptionist?
She’s Saul’s receptionist in BB. <3
She’s the one he says “How bout I follow you home?” which is even more O_o now that we’ve met her etc

So when Jimmy mentions Chuck's condition to the malpractice insurance representative, grinning mischievously, he did have any real plan or was he just being vindictive?

I get that he was reeling from his own financial losses, but in hindsight the spitefulness of that act (which set in motion the events that killed Chuck) seemed out of character. He'd already defeated/humiliated Chuck, and generally he was only willing to harm his brother when it was to protect his own interests; he rarely plotted against Chuck out of pure spite

I think he was just in a dark-ass mood at that point. Wasn't that just after his seething monologue at the bar?

considering watching all of this again

Just kind of an interesting choice narratively. In the end it's not any of Jimmy's scheming, conniving, or half-rationalized attempts to do something good that brings about the show's great tragedy. It was an uncharacteristic act of malice.

it felt spontaneous. jimmy had just learned about his own insurance increasing 150%. I read it to be a large part of what he regrets in his last talk with chuck. I don't know that jimmmy expected it to lead to chuck's forced retirement. just good at tearing things down.

yeah i think he felt that chuck had ruined him & in that moment decided fuck it, why should i be the only one suffering, i’ll ruin him right back etc

all good points. it's yet another incremental step towards the total amorality that would lead him to suggest that Walt and Jesse kill Badger in S2 of BB.

sucks so hard that s4 got delayed till the fall

agree

I don't think it's been delayed at all? They started shooting this year and haven't even announced an airdate yet

Sorta delayed, the first two seasons both premiered in April, season 3 in June. This one won't be until August or September (as I read in that Odenkirk interview w/ yo la tengo), so just a longer wait than previously.

i started listening to the podcast bcz i’m
a saddo & quick sidebar (same sidebar i had with the breaking bad podcast):

kelley YOUR QUESTIONS ARE TOO LONG. it takes you five minutes to ask anyone anything or you include all the stuff they’re waiting to say in your question or you talk over them aaagghhh

i mean love the convos but girl, my god, you gotta chill

...just a longer wait than previously

or exactly the same wait as last year!

I've listened to the podcast a little, I can't imagine being able to follow it unless you're listening 100% week by week. although they often get super-confused themselves bcz they don't record it week by week.

or exactly the same wait as last year!

ha, yeah, true. just feels longer this time i guess.

Renewed for Season 5, back on Monday August 6th.

:D

Finished Breaking Bad over the winter, just about to stat the last season of The Wire; Saul is next up (so I'll have to catch the upcoming season on rerun).

"start"--Freudian slip brought on by the stat-crazed higher-ups on The Wire.

s4 now on Netflix!

Not in America, the first episode only aired tonight, and that one wasn't even on the AMC app for hours afterward. Guess the next 9 weeks' ratings'll plummet if we can torrent the entire season tomorrow.

It's not dropping all at once anywhere, AFAICT.

aw man. The email from Netflix literally says 'season 4 now on Netflix' but I guess it's only ep1. Never mind, I quite like watching this week to week.

I'd happily re-watch the whole series if I had the time

got lost during s3 and didn't manage to work out where i was

I'm seven episodes into the first season. I've liked everything so far, except maybe the episode with the billboard. Loved how they used Tuco as a link in the first episode.

got lost during s3 and didn't manage to work out where i was

Albuquerqe iirc

i accidentally ran across this analysis of chuck and jimmy recently and think it's worth sharing. spoilers abound, even in the title, so here's the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ddHGpQm9oE

like a lot of you, i haven't watched in quite a while and kind of forgot what was going on, so it also serves as a decent refresher of where at least one of the storylines currently sits

NO!! i thought my formatting would just make it a link instead of embedding the video. welp, sorry about that. chuck goes through some shit in this show, spoilers

v excited about this

this show is really outstanding. I probably prefer it to Breaking Bad, probably because I find the characters more likable and somehow what we already know about the characters who carry over from BB doesn't cheapen their appearances but deepens them. And whether or not a prequel was the plan initially (I sincerely doubt it), the writers seem to have left enough room, left enough unsaid, and planted enough clues throughout BB to allow for that richness. I'm particularly fond of the single mention of Nacho in BB turning into a completely outstanding character here, and what I imagine will be a lot of filling in of the gaps around Mike's comment protesting Walter and Jesse sparing Lydia (something akin to "you don't know what she's capable of" or whatever.) And surprisingly the Gus backstory has a lot of room to grow as well.

it is def better than Breaking Bad

also I've never seen Rhea Seehorn in anything before but she is *incredible*

it's not as exciting or as intense as breaking bad but it's deeper and more fulfilling.

I see Rhea Seehorn's outstanding role and performance as a (most likely) intentional corrective to the shitty material the women in BB had to work with

Breaking Bad is great but i guess my primary criticism was that it felt like a narrative vise from which there was no escape for anyone, and towards the end its grimness felt a bit OTT in places. I understand that was probably the point, moving from darkly comic to totally bleak (cf Mr Chips to Scarface) and it's more of a "me" thing than a BB thing.

I'm particularly fond of the single mention of Nacho in BB turning into a completely outstanding character here

Nacho was mentioned in Breaking Bad? Do you remember when/what episode?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8gM6_FCeiBA

Daaaamn, that's a deep cut.

a narrative vise from which there was no escape for anyone

yup, it's more like a contraption than a story.

Just watched the second-last season 1 episode--almost tragedy, Chuck's betrayal.

What was the Wire courtroom reference alluded to above?

anyone else momentarily confused by the Walter White type dude in this ep?

Yeah, we thought that was WW for a second too. Seemed obvious enough that we wondered aloud if the show runners were deliberately messing with the viewers a little.

It's down to one showrunner now! Gilligan didn't work day to day on this season.