the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

Dear Valued Cuntstomer: https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/theresa-may-sends-oaps-letter-asking-for-donations-to-the-tory-party-addressed-dear-mr-fingjoking/11/04/

matt I can't believe your reaction to seeing a former ambassador repeat things you've seen dismissed by such authorities as a californian tech journalist is to assume it's former ambassador who's a batshit internet conspiracy theorist w no credibility

The fact that he's a former ambassador doesn't make him infallible, and tbh when I see someone claiming that an atrocity was faked then yes my impulse is to assume it's batshit conspiracy theorism at best, and knowing Assad apologism at worst.

As reasons to oppose the bombing go, 'it will make an already catastrophic humanitarian situation immeasurably worse' is enough for me.

but we did such a good job in Libya

I don't think anyone on this thread thinks he's infallible, Matt. Broadly agreeing with what he is saying in a one-off radio interview isn't quite conferring infallibility on the mofo! He seemed quite passionate and all too human in his response.

xxp yeah that's my reason too. everyone involved has reasons to lie, reasons to cast doubt, and are very aware of how things play in the media, so I am wary of anyone dismissing people as some loony fringe. my (worthless) instinct is that assad or someone on his side has used chemical weapons again but it's obviously not absurd to imagine people faking an attack like this, things are more than desperate enough

There is apparently going to be a Cabinet meeting tomorrow to discuss / sign off on bombing. I’m not entirely sure they’re going to know what they’re signing up to bomb yet. The UK can obviously control its own part of any activities but if the US decides it wants to start hitting Iranian soldiers fighting alongside Syrian ones, which is rumoured to be on the table, they aren’t going to be able to disentangle themselves.

Well, at least Threads has had a timely re-issue.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/world-braces-war-russia-triggers-12344867?1

I had a football messageboard argument with the main Threads actor. He was an Owen Smith supporter in the '16 leadership election. Some things in retrospect, actually seem worse than the incoming apocalypse at times!

Reece Dinsdale? He'd turned into a nazi* by the end of I.D, so Sensible Labour is a small improvement I guess

*he didn't of course. That was just the character he was playing

He was an Owen Smith supporter

right up there with 'for sale: baby shoes, never worn' as far as impossibly sad sentences go

I've lost count the amount of times he's linked a youtube clip from I.D. onto Down at The Mac wiv loads of thicko yobs clicking like, he's obv very proud of that terrible movie. Threads absolutely rules though. But some of the rong comments he made about John McDonnell suggest he would probably join that LoveFilm party.

yeah, threads is one of those rare movies that i really appreciate but have no desire to ever see again cuz it is harrowing as fuck

It's just been re-issued/re-mastered, but now is probs not a particularly great time to watch it!

Seems to me Labour’s ill-defined, Tory-light stance over Brexit is already causing massive haemorrhaging of Lab supporters. This’ll prevent Lab gaining power (should these voters defect to LibDems/Greens) at next GE & actively be enabling another Tory Gov. 😱#DontBlameDefectors

— Reece Dinsdale (@reece_dinsdale) March 29, 2018

I wonder what his dad, John Thaw, would think of that.

I'm sure that would be the making of a side-splittingly hilarious situation comedy.

lmao at the response to the broadcast of the enoch powell speech. BBC getting an absolute (justified) doing

what even is the bbc now

Nick Robinson recently had the brass balls to say that in Russia their state run television is propagandist and untrustworthy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/international-chemical-watchdog-backs-britains-findings-on-agent-used-to-poison-ex-russian-spy/

Send Corbyn to the Tower now!

Link's busted.

no worries

russian interference, obv

Sorry, I'll need definitive proof before I accept that explanation.

I've got this Russianometer spectrometer device here where it grades stuff from Not Even East German to Nuffsky Russian - start WW3.

russia's strategy of deliberate obfuscation makes definitive proof very hard to come by, you'll just have to accept my word that we have no recourse but to carpet-bomb the washington post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/international-chemical-watchdog-backs-britains-findings-on-agent-used-to-poison-ex-russian-spy/2018/04/12/4a6687ca-3e2f-11e8-8d53-eba0ed2371cc_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c9efd32d3531

The full quote's even worse. pic.twitter.com/08VTifLFjw

— Dave (@MediocreDave) April 12, 2018

Always hated that band and especially that spud faced rock n' roll cunt.

fucking awful they are.

Yep

Tell you what, let's vote Tory, they've got nothing to do with the lack of manufacturing jobs in South Wales, it was Corbyn that shut down the mines after all.

Nicky Wire in having incoherent politics shocker (I say this as a fairly massive Manics fan)

jobs give us meaning, claims man who has never had a proper job

you know what else industrial jobs give us? mesothelioma, bronchitis, missing limbs

tbf he does say he's "coming around" and speaks approvingly of McDonnell, albeit in insane language

Bradfield. Stupid is as stupid does I suppose, stick a white Les Paul in his mitts that'll shut the cunt up for a while.

"you know what else industrial jobs give us? mesothelioma"

I bet that fucking cunt has never been exposed to a shitload of asbestos pipe lagging because of some corrupt faked asbestos report. No that cunt made a living in 90's The Alarm tribute band.

the inane mumbling of evil

cool that this self-described band of socialists are all for shoving working-class people back down the mines instead of embracing the labour-reducing potential of automation and pushing for a fairer redistribution of wealth instead

not to mention the catastrophic environmental toll 'hardcore industries' have taken since the industrial revolution

Exactly, I hear Bradfield chipped a nail during a particularly anguished solo once.

Dropped a plectrum and his guitar roadie wasn't around to pick it up for him.

whew, lot to unpack here

The lyrics largely deal with the Manics’ attack on the dumbed-down identity politics in which Labour courted various musicians and other “hip” celebrities (“politics of celebrity”), and the abandonment of the Party’s genuinely socialist policies in order to secure power. The line “yes I have money but I hate champagne” is presumably a satirical defence of the accusation of being a “champagne socialist”, or a politician whose upper middle class upbringing and relative wealth may conflict with their outward socialist views.

Most intriguingly, ‘Socialist Serenade’ was the subject of some self-censorship on the part of the Manics. The Japanese version of the This Is My Truth album contained both this song and [B115] ‘Black Holes For The Young’ as bonus tracks (B-sides being standard bonuses on Japanese versions of Manics LPs) and printed their lyrics in the accompanying booklet. In the case of this song, a verse was printed which cannot be heard in the recording:

Robin Cook’s gone wild
He’s licking too much pussy
John Prescott’s still cool
Must be cos he’s Welsh
We’re not talking buckets of water here

Those are lyrics?

according to manicsdiscog.wordpress.com... yes

astonishingly enough

So not even "At least the lyrics are good" applies to them anymore? Not that I ever thought that, of course.

it's a b-side from 1999 apparently, so i guess it's fuel for the 'always been shit' fire

i've always thought the manics read all the right books, learned nothing from them, and turned them into turgid mor