assholes
― Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 19 April 2018 11:34 (six years ago) link
couple of young, highly smart engineering undergrads talking absolute alt-right shit irl & I just had to give up stoicism and counter it & it ended as you expect. ending political arguments by insulting (yr lack of) manhood or appearance is 100% cogent in their worldview.
none of this mattered, but right-wing ideology feels very intuitive, I guess (bro, all this inequality/hierarchy is just natural), while leftism is counter-intuitive—it complicates, questions, makes the world's problems more complex, takes many variables at once, assigns guilt and blame.
sometimes it seems like hating/mocking leftism and adopting the opposite of all leftist stances is their whole fuel, or how they persecute leftists for not being 100% saintly virtuous people. which, in a weird way, means they have internalized our framework in a warped way
idk. trying to understand our right-wing world.
― epigone, Friday, 20 April 2018 11:08 (six years ago) link
This is not confined to either the alt-right or even the right tbh.
― (Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Friday, 20 April 2018 11:13 (six years ago) link
I think it’s fairly standard where hypocrisy is one of the few things that both sides agree is bad.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 20 April 2018 11:54 (six years ago) link
rightism is not intuitive and leftism is not counter-intuitive. both are learned responses
― imago, Friday, 20 April 2018 12:27 (six years ago) link
i feel the big thing is that right-wing ideology is intrinsically hateful and, especially, vengeful, and these aspects of that ideology do resonate with me. most forms of leftism tend to point out that vengeance isn't really workable. that's true, but lord i surely do want to see my enemies suffer.
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 20 April 2018 12:37 (six years ago) link
Right-wingers like to characterise left-wing ideologies as being hateful and vengeful as well though. Hating people who are better off because of their obvious superiority and wanting revenge by stripping those people of their hard-earned assets. Or even just "liberals hate our country".
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 20 April 2018 12:49 (six years ago) link
sure but i'm not talking about how these ideologies describe themselves, i'm talking about how they operate in practice. they can talk about how "hitler was a liberal" all day long but they'll still be wrong.
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 20 April 2018 13:05 (six years ago) link
Seems hard to deny that 20th century Communists could be p vengeful.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 20 April 2018 13:10 (six years ago) link
What's at the root of most conservative right-wing thinking (if you want to take it in good faith) is the idea that suffering, inequality, etc. are inevitable and that attempts to eliminate these will inevitably backfire and suffering, inequality, etc. will be heightened as a result. That isn't in and of itself hateful or vengeful, but the certainty that leftists will lead to a worse world is what makes right-wingers feel it's ok to hate us - the reverse also usually true, leading to what sund4r mentions.
alt-right a different kettle of fish because they're not really conservative in the "intuitive" way epigone describes - they want radical change as much as any part of the left does, except they harken back to a fictional Paradise Lost of well defined gender roles, racial hierarchies, etc.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 20 April 2018 15:46 (six years ago) link
https://www.splcenter.org/20180419/mcinnes-molyneux-and-4chan-investigating-pathways-alt-right
Respondents recount a transformation that takes place almost entirely online. Led either by their own curiosity or an algorithm, the content they consumed became increasingly extreme, fostering their radicalization and guiding them eventually to TRS. Their responses reveal a pipeline between the alt-lite and racist “alt-right,” with many users explaining that alt-lite figures like Gavin McInnes were the first to introduce them to hardcore, veteran white nationalists.The two threads, titled “WHAT BROUGHT YOU INTO THE MOVEMENT?” and “Path here beginning from Gavin,” asked posters to reflect on their own “red pill” narratives and provide tips for converting others. “Here’s the challenge,” a user identified as The Somalisher wrote. “Create a list of succession from the Alt-Light to us. I have friends who like Gavin…But I can’t exactly throw Andrew Anglin at them.”
The two threads, titled “WHAT BROUGHT YOU INTO THE MOVEMENT?” and “Path here beginning from Gavin,” asked posters to reflect on their own “red pill” narratives and provide tips for converting others. “Here’s the challenge,” a user identified as The Somalisher wrote. “Create a list of succession from the Alt-Light to us. I have friends who like Gavin…But I can’t exactly throw Andrew Anglin at them.”
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 20 April 2018 23:45 (six years ago) link
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r)
i don't know a lot of robespierres or stalins. even antifa, the unhinged radical left, don't ever seem to go beyond misdemeanor property damage, and most of "the left" is tripping all over themselves to denounce them whenever they do. maybe i lack imagination, but i feel like we're a far longer way from Red Terror than we are from armed right-wing insurrection.
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 20 April 2018 23:49 (six years ago) link
Yeah, totally. I was thinking of "most forms of leftisms" in a broader historical sense.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 April 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
lmao @ Milo's pathetic Facebook whining"It’s now impossible for me to safely go out for lunch in most major cities in America" pic.twitter.com/FG6V0wprHp— Eoin Higgins (@EoinHiggins_) April 22, 2018
does someone need a...safe space ???
― frogbs, Monday, 23 April 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link
"my black husband"
― Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Monday, 23 April 2018 22:43 (six years ago) link
some of his best husbands are black
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 April 2018 22:44 (six years ago) link
lmaooo
― maura, Monday, 23 April 2018 23:04 (six years ago) link
A Facebook employee confirmed to me on background that the Alek Minassian Facebook post referencing 4chan and "The Incel Rebellion" is real: pic.twitter.com/gdydMBOE0l— Jane Lytvynenko 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️ (@JaneLytv) April 24, 2018
― maura, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link
that case is being discussed a bit on the terrorist attacks thread. I'm fucking livid that vile incel garbage knows no borders.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 15:29 (six years ago) link
lol did you think canada was immune, cmon man
― gbx, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
most of canada is just like outstate minnesota
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
Montreal Polytechnique today seems like a major precursor to all of this.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:07 (six years ago) link
obv not gbx I'm just angry
― Simon H., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
ahahaha pwned
Proud Boy gets beat by sign. May Day in Seattle. #jimmykimmel #jimmykimmellive #jimmyfallon #thetonightshow #colbert #thelateshow #fullfrontal #trevornoah #thedailyshow #sethmeyers #latenight #theopposition https://t.co/7sPvHOmXfO— Nate Gowdy (@nategowdy) May 2, 2018
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 2 May 2018 13:12 (six years ago) link
is that........real
― imago, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 13:18 (six years ago) link
it's as real as anything is real is at this point
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 2 May 2018 13:19 (six years ago) link
having seen more than enough IRL chuds in action for one lifetime that certainly scanned as real to me
― Simon H., Wednesday, 2 May 2018 13:26 (six years ago) link
'action'
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 2 May 2018 13:35 (six years ago) link
Lol at that video, real or not.
On a different note, I saw the French film 'Workshop' this morning, and it's a very earnest attempt at getting into the head of a boy on the road to turning alt-right. Worth seeing.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 13:58 (six years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/white-supremacist-is-guilty-in-charlottesville-parking-garage-beating-of-black-man/2018/05/01/033396b4-4af9-11e8-8b5a-3b1697adcc2a_story.html
― sleeve, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 14:13 (six years ago) link
For those who don't remember, here is a picture of that man's attorney, Elmer Woodard:
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25348447_2018968401722204_4610189001188206645_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=fe9286d564f9000ef5d4d0e2af76b6c8&oe=5B63DCDC
― how's life, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 14:17 (six years ago) link
Or here:
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25289475_2018968378388873_5555674363352059649_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=66b4e75b0961973c83685c080e01bff3&oe=5B5B1AE5
He has been representing all these alt-right fools from Charlottesville.
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/three-white-nationalists-found-guilty-of-failing-to-leave-rally/article_a81a72e2-b071-11e7-a3f1-db8bf4503c1b.htmlhttp://www.c-ville.com/watching-backs-cantwells-request-change-venue-special-prosecutor-denied/#.WunI3KQvxhE
― how's life, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 14:19 (six years ago) link
here's a little-seen image of elmer in court
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTmXBo9X4AEjNYs.jpg
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 2 May 2018 14:19 (six years ago) link
xp thank you, did not know that detail
― sleeve, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 14:22 (six years ago) link
more charges
Ku Klux Klan leader found guilty for firing gun at Charlottesville rally
― sleeve, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
https://patch.com/maryland/bowie/umd-hate-crime-defendant-wants-offensive-images-barred-report?utm_campaign=blasts&utm_content=maryland&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social
― how's life, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 12:03 (six years ago) link
White supremacist who murdered a black man at UMD last year does not want his Facebook ties to white supremacist groups to be admissible in court.
― how's life, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 12:04 (six years ago) link
link?
― goole, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
oh shit sorry! scrolling too fast...
Did someone already post this https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/05/pretty-loud-for-being-so-silenced
― Dan I., Wednesday, 9 May 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1737430889680788/
― dan selzer, Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:37 (six years ago) link
Their cover photo reminds me of Donald Fagen in this Achewood comic.
https://achewood.myshopify.com/products/comic-steely-dan-06-11-2004
― how's life, Thursday, 10 May 2018 15:14 (six years ago) link
For fun!
WATCH: Policy Advisor For Trump-Tied 'America First' Group Praises Nazis: They Should've Kept 'Going' https://t.co/v3IAkw5GxN (Exclusive by @calebecarma) pic.twitter.com/tPR6whOVXz— Mediaite (@Mediaite) May 10, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 May 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
latino nazis smdh
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 May 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
Alex Jones and Milo "stormed" the Google Fiber office in Austin today. Before they got kicked out, the Google employee sent to deal with them said he recognized Jones but said he had no idea who Milo was. https://t.co/44kQOSlOS8 pic.twitter.com/rteC5l4Rth— Will Sommer (@willsommer) May 14, 2018
Also: Milo has entered his bolo phase pic.twitter.com/UodRzNC4qT— Will Sommer (@willsommer) May 14, 2018
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 14 May 2018 22:46 (six years ago) link
― martin short's interiors (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 14 May 2018 22:49 (six years ago) link
lmfao at the bolo tie!!
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 04:19 (six years ago) link
dont let milo ruin a bolo
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 05:17 (six years ago) link
he can't now
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 05:28 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5c4vrXKtiI
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 05:32 (six years ago) link