lol good catch
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:52 (six years ago) link
$500 million settlement from Michigan State to the survivors of Nassar's abuse.
― how's life, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
Uh, he is really twisting the words of the judge there. She is saying that Tadros' statement is a kind of statement that can be proved right or wrong, not that it's already been done. My belief in his innocence is not exactly heightened by this.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
frankly i have no idea who this dude is but smdh that the social media age has led us to a point where someone calling themselves ‘gaslampkiller’ is protesting their innocence on twitter in all seriousness
― martin short's interiors (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:07 (six years ago) link
Are these mega settlements going to move the needle in how universities deal with the monsters on their payrolls?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:14 (six years ago) link
The 1998 tobacco settlement was $206 billion. How are tobacco manufacturers doing these days?
― it's a leaf that the nomads chew (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link
Not as well as in 98? Is this a valid comparison?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
That's an excellent point, Frederik.
― mick signals, Thursday, 17 May 2018 02:20 (six years ago) link
https://www.google.com/amp/variety.com/2018/tv/news/catfish-host-nev-schulman-sexual-misconduct-1202814033/amp/
― maura, Thursday, 17 May 2018 22:13 (six years ago) link
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/5/22/fryer-investigation/
harvard economist
― j., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 03:47 (six years ago) link
NYPD officials say they are ready to arrest Harvey Weinstein https://t.co/aK3l2B93W5 pic.twitter.com/2qHRT7T4hC— The Hill (@thehill) May 23, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link
http://mosesfarrow.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-son-speaks-out-by-moses-farrow.html
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 May 2018 04:51 (six years ago) link
don't adopt.
― Ludo, Thursday, 24 May 2018 06:46 (six years ago) link
that's your takeaway from this whole thing?
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 24 May 2018 10:18 (six years ago) link
Yeah, that’s a vile thing to post.
― suzy, Thursday, 24 May 2018 11:20 (six years ago) link
Jesus, that poor family.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 24 May 2018 11:27 (six years ago) link
Pretty convincing post by Moses.
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 24 May 2018 11:55 (six years ago) link
As always, compare it to the custody ruling from 1993: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/danny-shea/heres-the-1993-woody-alle_b_4746866.html?guccounter=1. One glaring problem: Several adults, including professionals, had noticed Allen had a deeply problematic relationship with Dylan for years before 1992, so Moses' claims that he never saw anything wrong rings false.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 24 May 2018 12:42 (six years ago) link
tomboto otm
― mick signals, Thursday, 24 May 2018 12:44 (six years ago) link
16 women come forward to allege sexual harassment by Morgan Freeman https://t.co/M0nLysSE0E— Sam Stein (@samstein) May 24, 2018
― mookieproof, Thursday, 24 May 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link
The Vancouver skytrain system launched announcements voiced by Morgan Freeman yesterday.
They've been pulled obviously.
Morgan Freeman seemed inevitable, this is a man who dates (dated?) his step-granddaughter
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 24 May 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
that moses farrow post is seriously disturbing and, for me, pretty hard to argue with. i basically don't know what to think about this anymore, except that tombot otm.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link
The basic principle of 'believe the victim' should always be applied in the absence of clear and compelling contradictory evidence. Moses Farrow offers clear contradictory testimony and some contradicting evidence. he is at last half-compelling. now all I can say is this is a hugely tangled mess that outsiders are ill-equipped to disentangle.
tombot otm
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link
There is no evidence in his post, though?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
I don't want to dive wholeheartedly into that conversation, but it's completely possible that the Farrow household was a complete mess and abusive, that Allen was a good dad to one of the kids, and that he also was a complete creep
all this does is show that the solution was ugly all around, not just on one side, with one kid saying it's implausible Allen would be inappropriate with one of the other kids, because he was nice to the writer
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
yep
barring a confession by one of the principals, we're never going to have certainty
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link
The 'evidence', such as it is, consists of his factually verifiable description of the attic space where Dylan recalled the assault and the lack of toy electric trains which form such a central part of her story. But, no, he doesn't post photos of the attic to corroborate his testimony. So, you are technically correct to say no physical evidence was offered.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:50 (six years ago) link
the situation is so confused and awful it's hard to know what to make of it. but moses makes a specific argument for why the specific abuse against dylan couldn't have happened that day, and he was a witness. has that been refuted anywhere?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link
Doesn't that account of Moses kinda contradicts Judge Wilks' statement?
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link
That report put an end to any chance of criminal charges being brought against my father. A second, 14-month investigation by the New York State Department of Social Services, reached the same conclusion as Yale/New Haven: “No credible evidence was found that [Dylan Farrow] has been abused or maltreated.” Nevertheless, when a judge granted custody of Satchel and Dylan to Mia, at 15, I chose the path of least resistance, and also stayed with my mother.
Seems quite different from...
In his 33-page decision in June 1993,[9] Justice Elliott Wilk rejected Allen's bid for custody of the three children, and denied Allen immediate visitation rights with Dylan, saying of Allen's behavior toward Dylan that it was "grossly inappropriate and that measures must be taken to protect her".[9][8][63] His criticism of Allen's parenting was harsh.[64][20] Rejecting Allen's portrayal of Farrow as a "woman scorned", Wilk said there was no credible evidence that she had coached Dylan, and he criticized Allen for his "trial strategy" of turning family members and employees against one another.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
criminal investigation vs. custody case
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
those two are about the custody if i understand correctly
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link
i am sorry. it certainly wasn't my intention, or the only thing that i deduced from that blogpost. But it was certainly a factor that didn't help in this situation, adopting a whole bunch of people from all kinds of circumstances into a showbiz home that probably already wasn't functioning too well (judging from that blogpost)
adoption is a very, very tricky process, even in safe, stable, households with, say 1 adopted child and 1 biological child.
― Ludo, Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:53 (six years ago) link
JUST IN - Harvey Weinstein is expected to turn himself in to the NYPD relating to sexual misconduct charges as early as tomorrow @brynnCNN reports. #BREAKING— Stephanie Gallman (@sgallman) May 24, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 May 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
Weinstein can afford some high-powered attorneys. No doubt he's lined up his legal team now.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 24 May 2018 20:04 (six years ago) link
Several adults, including professionals, had noticed Allen had a deeply problematic relationship with Dylan for years before 1992, so Moses' claims that he never saw anything wrong rings false.
besides indeed citing on this point one of mia farrow's friends, one professional french teacher, and one of the battery of child therapists this family seems to have been keeping employed even before any of this happened, this document also states for the record that mia farrow is a wonderful loving mother who adores each child equally and that it just isn't credible that she'd subject any of them to any of this if it weren't true, so if it's bedrock text of some sort then i guess there's a whole lot more in the moses post that "rings false"
no idea what happened anymore but sorry to all these kids, jesus, no one should have to be raised by any of these people tbh
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 24 May 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link
So the takeaway isn't "don't adopt," it's "don't get adopted by people who don't have their shit together."
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 24 May 2018 20:10 (six years ago) link
(that huffpo piece picks out the "she's not perfect!" part but if u read the whole document it's willing to go rather further than that, xp to myself)
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 24 May 2018 20:11 (six years ago) link
no one should have to be raised by any of these people tbh
I came to this conclusion a long time ago (ie when the split initially happened)
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 May 2018 20:27 (six years ago) link
dlh, that text is pretty much the final word from 1993, and is from a neutral observer. Yes, it should kinda be a bedrock text. Doesn't mean everything in it is true, but as a historical document, it's closer in time, it's official so probably less biased, etc.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 24 May 2018 21:18 (six years ago) link
well i'm sure glad you were here to tell us what really happened, guess we can close this case now
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 24 May 2018 21:41 (six years ago) link
Oh stop it. I'm not saying what happened, I'm just saying how source criticism works. Sources are, among other things, measured after how close in time they are to the event in question, and whether or not they're biased.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 24 May 2018 22:11 (six years ago) link
Fred's right. He even said "Doesn't mean everything in it is true"
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 24 May 2018 22:13 (six years ago) link
Maybe for another thread, but I didn't realise that Mia Farrow had 14 kids, including 10 adopted, and three are now dead, just trying to digest that.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 24 May 2018 22:18 (six years ago) link
The part of Moses' account where he blames all three deaths on Mia is really nagl tbh.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 24 May 2018 22:42 (six years ago) link
what i mean is that finding inconsistencies between texts' judgment of the appropriateness of woody allen's bedtime story technique is not v surprising or meaningful when one text is also accusing the other text's court-certified good mom of being a monstrous child abuser enabled for years by the very people whose testimony forms the basis of the other text's conclusions
like since the premise of the moses piece is that the public story is wholly untrue, i don't think it gets us any closer to choosing between them to note that in places it contradicts the public story
(nor is "biased" a concept i can imagine flying v well were i to use my new understanding of source criticism to privilege, say, the yale/newhaven investigation over dylan's own testimony)
hard to justify my arguing at length for a position that is actually just a shrug but tbh i think the stuff in the moses piece triggered me? would say i hope that stuff didn't happen but as the alternative is dylan's story i guess i just hope they didn't both happen.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 24 May 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link
The yale/newhaven story is dealt with in the custody judgment, which is why I treat that as more important.
But to be honest, I don't think most historians would give that much credit to Dylan's 2014 column either. It's more than twenty years after the fact, she was very young at the time, traumatized, she stated in a Vanity Fair piece that she couldn't remember a lot of what had happened at that time.
I don't think it's really true that the Moses statement should be given equal weight to every other statement, because it claims that everything else is a lie. If there's, like, ten statements that fit together, and one statement that goes 'they're all wrong, and only I speak the truth', well, occams razor. For instance, it's hard to fit the image of Thaddeus in that piece with what Thaddeus himself said about Mia Farrow: “It was scary to be brought to a world of people whose language I did not understand, with different skin colors. The fact that everyone loved me was a new experience, overwhelming at first.”
― Frederik B, Thursday, 24 May 2018 23:27 (six years ago) link
All I’m going to say about efforts to deflect from my sister‘s allegations: pic.twitter.com/IRrj5fzMqV— Ronan Farrow (@RonanFarrow) May 24, 2018
― Frederik B, Thursday, 24 May 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
hard to fit the image of Thaddeus in that piece with what Thaddeus himself said
not if you accept that Mia was an abuser. but again, probably better for another thread.
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Thursday, 24 May 2018 23:44 (six years ago) link
Maybe I’m ready to decide that I actually DGAFF about these celebrities and their fucked up kids. No, wait -I am. And I don’t. It’s their business.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 24 May 2018 23:49 (six years ago) link