Damon Lindelof's Watchmen

lmao funnybook nerds

zooming out to get mad at capitalism is when the goalposts moved

Moore walked from DC over matters including the violation of contractual rights and threatened violation of IP rights on Watchmen in 1987. those goalposts have been in place longer than this thread revive.

That Moore sure sounds like a nerd to me.

idk guys I take it as a given that art produced under capitalism is inherently exploitative at some point (or more likely dozens) of the production line, idk why I should shed tears for Moore and Gibbons in particular, I'm sure they're doing fine

but anyway I'm sure everyone itt boycotts all the marvel movies and didn't shell out for the first Watchmen movie

i don't watch any of the marvel movies and regret having watched the watchmen movie, how's that?

Marvel garbage is easily avoidable and yeah I didn't pay to see anything in between the first X-Men movie and the most recent Thor movie (which, as sic notes, was after the settlement)

if you think I shelled out for the first Watchmen movie, I refer you to the ilx thread where I actively told people not to go see it and you championed it, so speak for dumbass self

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I mean I was about 20, I probably championed a lot of dumb shit

not like now, of course

idk why I should shed tears for Moore and Gibbons in particular

it's not a zero-sum game: I can have objections to the treatment of Moore and Gibbons AND Kirby and Ditko and Veitch and Mario and Beto and Xaime and Templeton and Gerber, and make consumer decisions accordingly

but anyway I'm sure everyone itt boycotts all the marvel movies and didn't shell out for the first Watchmen movie

"everyone"

"ethical consumption" is a farce

I've paid or Moviepassed for 76 cinema presentations this year, and none of them were Marvel productions (I did see New Line's Blade for the first time, rescored by touring industrial / techno artist Kilbourne, though)

I bought comics from over 40 different publishers last year: only two of them (1 one-shot, 1 mini) were from a publisher large enough to have an accounting department (the same one in both cases).

Some of our spending in modern society goes towards entities and principles that we don't actively support. Some of it we are able to exert control over, and art is the area where this is easiest to do.

acknowledging that there are degrees of ethical consumption is not farcical, esp when we're talking about non-essential things like art (as opposed to, say, food, clothing, means of production, etc.) It isn't very hard to find art directly from the people that created it and compensate them appropriately, it's really easy. Conversely, it is really easy to avoid consuming shit from a shit factory.

you can acknowledge it all you want but (with the exception of sending independent/local artists yr money directly) none of your choices make any difference at all to anybody but you

1) that's a p big exception there, 2) welcome to ethical behavior

not that big an exception, most people never do it

glad to see an admission that the point of ethical consumption is purely ego stroking and not actually changing anything

not that big an exception, most people never do it

this is totally untrue

we create change instead by arguing on the internet

as far as "purely ego stroking and not actually changing anything" idk what to tell you dude. Read Kant?

we create change instead by arguing on the internet

probably more effective than not buying an HBO subscription tbh

unless of course you give the money you saved to some socialists or something

SO ANYWAY

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-cast-of-hbos-watchmen-has-been-revealed-and-the-fan-1826269382

Variety reports Regina King will play the lead character in the series, and she’ll be joined by Don Johnson, Tim Blake Nelson, Louis Gossett Jr., Adelaide Clemens, and Andrew Howard. Deadline adds that “King is believed to be playing Angela Abraham, while Gossett Jr. likely is Old Man. Howard is said to be playing Red Scare, Clemens could be Pirate Jenny,” but none of that is confirmed.

Don Johnson IS...Miami Rorschach

Maybe it's a bunch of superheroes playing the Watchmen for a costume party.

HELL YES to Regina King.

FTR, I don't deny that I give Marvel/Disney hella $$$ (and, while recognizing at least some of the ethical dilemmas of doing so, opt to draw my ideological red lines elsewhere) but then also I don't champion the downfall of capitalism.

"no ethical consumption under capitalism" is loony left speak for "i like to eat at mcdonalds"

hey at least he's not stroking his ego while not actually changing anything

"no ethical consumption under capitalism" is loony left speak for "i like to eat at mcdonalds"

and ethical consumption is useless lib speak for "my consumer choices matter" are we done now

(FPing myself for posting way too much itt)

too bad this list isn't legitimate https://www.imdb.com/list/ls027731450/ I would be excited by more carrie coon.

"no ethical consumption under capitalism" is loony left speak for "i like to eat at mcdonalds"

and ethical consumption is useless lib speak for "my consumer choices matter" are we done now

(FPing myself for posting way too much itt)

― Simon H., Wednesday, May 23, 2018 4:58 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

As it generally comes from hyper privileged first world marxists and it is frequently allied with making clearly unethical and deliberate consumer choices it's the equivalent of a dude saying "ethical relationships between the genders is impossible under patriarchy" while leering at a woman

Also capitalism will exist for the rest of our lives

Ok.

Your incredulity is touching.

No I mean he's right, I just don't see how it changes anything.

anyway good talk everyone

I'm struggling to reconcile the apparent enthusiasm for 'the leftovers' on here with the following plot points gleaned from wikipedia:

Kevin is plunged into the realm of the undead; a hotel full of people stuck between life and death. In this world Kevin is an international assassin

he is told by a familiar face that he must sing karaoke to get back home

The vessel is hosting a "pride" of people that celebrate the linage of "Frasier, the Sensuous Lion", through mass copulation

Patti and President Kevin watch the nuclear apocalypse as Kevin returns to the world of the living, where the rain has stopped.

Hey uh maybe don't post shitloads of spoilers for no good reason

Super great and honest form of critique tho

If you want to know why people like the show maybe try watching it

life, short. sorry for spoilers tho.

Does give me an excuse to post this tho

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Country_Safari#Frasier_the_Sensuous_Lion

All joking and teasing ITT aside, spoiling any TV show is unconscionable and you should be ashamed of youself, ledge.

I'll make my peace with those whose enjoyment I've spoiled in heaven.

Am willing to accept Leftovers is good without watching it, but Lindelof has been involved in a lot of things, and only one of them was good, so perhaps with that track record it's reasonable to expect Watchmen to be shit, especially given the screwing-over of the creators and the staleness of going back to this stroy AGAIN when it requires no expansion.

just cause Lost had a bad final season doesn't mean it wasn't an all-time great show

no, there are other reasons

I think it's reasonable to expect this will be good since Leftovers was the last thing he did, for the same company, probably with some of the same writers (and at least one shared principal actor). no idea why the creators getting screwed over makes it less likely to be good, and it seems like the story is going to be significantly different, if not unrecognizable

Watch Men will be like Mad Men except about watches instead of madness or whatever that show was about.

no, there are other reasons

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The integrity of Lost depended pretty much entirely upon the satisfactory resolution of its intricate latticework of mysteries. That it had a shitty final season was almost incidental to the fact that the entire thing turned out to be a shaggy dog con job. Like who gives a fuck about a Miss Marple if Christie decides on the last page that some incidental schmuck introduced on the page before was the killer all along and also everyone is in heaven for some reason.

The integrity of Lost depended pretty much entirely upon the satisfactory resolution of its intricate latticework of mysteries.

Lost was an ensemble drama and its "integrity" depended upon the characters, their relationships, and their struggle to survive. For five years, the show managed to ground the intrigue with emotional stakes, but as it approached the end, the intrigue overwhelmed the stakes and the character beats didn't land as hard.

I don't quite understand how that final season invalidates the thrill ride of the first five years. i guess it's a basic philosophical question of tv criticism. is the destination more important than the journey? i would say no.

anyway, the leftovers managed to avoid the issue by stating outright that none of the mysteries would ever be solved.