I'm slow to the news and vague but what I meant had more to do with economic policies than anything. The age old dream of the right to have a French Thatcher might be happening, after all.
so turns out he is Sarkozy on steroids who knew
A better question is how could anyone be surprised by any of this? There's a saying in France about centrists who like to label themselves "neither left nor right", that what they really are are "neither left nor left". He's been smart enough to hide most of his ideas during the campaign but it was quite obvious where his presidency would go to anyone who had been keeping an eye on him since his part in the Hollande governement.
― Dinsdale, Sunday, 27 May 2018 14:07 (six years ago) link
Emmanuel Macron's assistant chief of staff Alexandre Benalla has been caught impersonating a riot cop on May 1st and beating up a protester. Mental. pic.twitter.com/I2L4kcY9Dw— Ronan Burtenshaw (@ronanburtenshaw) July 19, 2018
wtf
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link
the sensible centrists in action
― Simon H., Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:52 (six years ago) link
for every protestor we curbstomp we'll pick up two more in the faubourg saint-germain
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
Weird story. My daughter was with the prez in the Élysée tonight, she shoulda asked him about it.
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:47 (six years ago) link
whatever happened to those conspiracy stories of cernovich and posobiec being in france before the election? surely they were due to be scooped up by interpol any second
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-far-right-american-nationalist-who-tweeted-macronleaks
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 19 July 2018 23:59 (six years ago) link
― Simon H., Thursday, July 19, 2018 2:52 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
No one has ever called Macron 'sensible'.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 20 July 2018 14:58 (six years ago) link
Yes, this incident single-handedly disqualifies French centrism as a viable political position. Because the US political scene is the sole benchmark according to which we may measure what goes on in the rest of the world.
Anyway, this is a major fuck-up and Macron's almost complete silence thus far only aggravates matters.
― pomenitul, Friday, 20 July 2018 15:06 (six years ago) link
There's a whole bunch of incidents at this point that disqualifies the idea of Macron as a centrist, however I agree pom, none of them disqualifies centrism as a viable political position in France.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 20 July 2018 15:12 (six years ago) link
I don't care a lot about this incident, it's stupid and they've fired the guy. I doubt Manu was like "go stomp some faces" but maybe that doubt is where we differ
my daughter met Manu last night! w/ other bac mtbs. he talked literature for a long time with them, about L'École des femmes in particular. he has a lot of layers...
I'm coming around on the view that parcoursup is a disaster & that I should have protested it this spring.
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 20 July 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link
I'd be interested in what you have to say about Parcours Sup, some of my cousins had to go through the horrific process of applications a few years back and they hated it so much any change was welcome to them.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 20 July 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link
I doubt Manu was like "go stomp some faces" but maybe that doubt is where we differ
The problem lies elsewhere: upon finding out, they merely suspended him for two weeks. You can't just hush this shit up, especially when your goal is to achieve a RĂ©publique exemplaire.
― pomenitul, Friday, 20 July 2018 15:31 (six years ago) link
It's more than just a stupid incident. We are talking about an employee of the executive going vigilante and violent on protesting citizens, dunno what amount of cynicism it takes to not feel shivers from such an idea.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 20 July 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link
he has a lot of layers...
Read this as, he has a lot of lawyers...
― Chase Knobbe? Have you Courtney Cox? (Tom D.), Friday, 20 July 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link
well we're in the 2nd half of July & 1/3 of new bacs don't have a "oui" for the rentrée.
rather than technocrat reforms like a new! software! solution! they could just...add more seats to the programs students actually want, without forcing them to move far away (one of my daughter's friends finally got a "oui" in Brest last week, which she accepted, but she's never been to Brest, and it's not like that's a special place for a psychology license).
my unit got like 2000 applications for like 300 seats in L1. I have no problem with sélection, far from it, but they gave us no resources to do the sélection. if you want to do admissions at that level then pay us or better give us teaching reductions for it. there aren't admissions offices here like there are in the usa or canada (thank goodness!) but you can't just stick us with the workload then. I'm not talking about training us, I'm talking about funding the work!
& yes it was obvious going in that everyone was gonna want the same seats and that there would as a result be a lot of people waiting. I mean I know it's hard to solve this but then maybe don't institute a new way of doing it on the fly?
& I know that the French way is to be given a way to do things, then for individual actors to say lol & do it their own way, and somehow things end up working out---I admire this way, we seem like a top-down place but really the bureaucracy is just a sketch & order emerges from the bottom. but we needed more time to make this one work. they gave us like 1 month!
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:08 (six years ago) link
This Macron scandal is taking on a life of its own. Chief of Staff Strzoda taking early retirement, Interior Minister Collomb looking increasingly precarious - and now BFM reporting Macron himself saw assault footage and signed off on a two week suspension for Benalla. Amazing.— Ronan Burtenshaw (@ronanburtenshaw) July 20, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 21 July 2018 02:12 (six years ago) link
I feel it is important to point out that the beating happened in the place where the video for "The Bad Touch" was filmed
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 21 July 2018 14:37 (six years ago) link
Never mind the right-wing policies and racism and all-round badness of the guy. At least he has read a novel..
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 21 July 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
lol ok aren’t you british ? anyway Mélenchon showing his ass today saying the Benalla thing is worse than Watergate
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
Yes, the focus here should totally be on what MĂ©lenchon has said.
― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
as long as we're all focusing on Benalla's bad touch then I'm cool
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
hyperbolic of course but imagine being Macron's opponent and not playing up the hell out of this tbh, it's too beautiful a gift
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
it should literally be illegal and career-ending to compare anything to watergate ever any more: choose other scandals (and suffixes) please
― mark s, Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:34 (six years ago) link
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), 21. juli 2018 18:30 (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Dude, aren't you in every American politics thread warning about overplaying the Russia story? Wtf?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
This is so much more simple and visceral than anything to come out of russiagate
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
and so much more minor as well
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), 21. juli 2018 18:55 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Lol. Bullshit.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
I mean
president keeps a private thug bodyguard & this guy has some friends in the police trying to save his job by breaking laws
vs
president asks for and receives the help of another country's spy service to get elected
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
Fred are you packing the pee tape
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 21 July 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
Don't see what my nationality has to do with what I pointed out.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 21 July 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
However I am finishing a novel rn..
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 21 July 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
kick benalla out of office, invite him onto ILB
― mark s, Saturday, 21 July 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link
ime british people generally have a grudge against france so their perspectives on french politics are clouded by their prejudices. ime.
reading the dumb takes on race & the world cup team this week in english-language media has me a bit grumpy on brits/usa-ers toward france I confess
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 21 July 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
English people, not British. Get it right.
― Chase Knobbe? Have you Courtney Cox? (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 July 2018 17:18 (six years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auld_Alliance
― Chase Knobbe? Have you Courtney Cox? (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 July 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
floddengate
― mark s, Saturday, 21 July 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
https://www.mccaskiebutcher.co.uk/ashet-pie-serves-1
― Chase Knobbe? Have you Courtney Cox? (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 July 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
lots of the English centre right/centrist types think Macron is c'est marvelous, even if they hold grudges against the French.
― calzino, Saturday, 21 July 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
the most embarrassing example was Tristam Hunt, who recently seemed to lose all sense of decorum when waxing lyrical about Manu.
― calzino, Saturday, 21 July 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
They love the centrist bad boy. The resistance of the French to the doctrine of the Blessed Margaret irritates them more than any historical rivalry.
― Chase Knobbe? Have you Courtney Cox? (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 July 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
sorry yes it’s the English not the British.
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 21 July 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link
Feels like a lot of people here forget that there is a larger context of police brutality in France that has been going on at least since Hollande and that the Benalla scandal is the final straw for lots of people. It's not just Benalla himself punching an innocent protester.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 21 July 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link
Also absolutely loved how Trevor Noah just schooled Araud on multiculturalism and the cultural identity of the french national football team.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 21 July 2018 20:08 (six years ago) link
Our minister of Foreign Affairs could do with some schooling of his own toohttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/07/18/the-dutch-foreign-minister-says-multicultural-societies-breed-violence/
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 21 July 2018 20:26 (six years ago) link
The Trevor Noah thing yes, that’s one of the horrible shit things my American friends were sharing this week. Typical American drivel (yes I read that the guy is South African, another great place from which to be lectured on race).
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 21 July 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link
Well as someone who was born in Canada from PĂ©rigord parents, am I not french? Would you be bold as to cancel my french heritage?
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 21 July 2018 20:52 (six years ago) link
You know what it is to be French, then. It’s these Americans who want to deny our players their French identities, like the FN.
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 21 July 2018 20:56 (six years ago) link
So wait, am I not Canadian then?
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 21 July 2018 20:58 (six years ago) link
Trevor Noah has not denied anyone anything, you can celebrate both a heritage and a citizenship, where you are and where you come from. This is what Noah is saying. This is what Araud and countless of french don't understand. There shouldn't be any need for Pogba to erase his africanité to be a french citizen, just like I was never asked to shed my french heritage to be a 100% Canadian.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 21 July 2018 21:02 (six years ago) link
These aren’t metaphysical questions. You tell me, are you Canadian?
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 21 July 2018 21:03 (six years ago) link