i've always used feckless to mean lazy or idle. is that wrong?
― Toto Cuomo (NickB), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:01 (five years ago) link
yeah 'cunt' is a 'bad word' in the UK but depending on the situation and location it can get thrown around a lot, more usually to describe a man I'd say
Similar to calling a man a pussy here in the US. Which is still sexist btw (if you stop for a second to think about the implications), just not as bad as calling a woman a cunt. We generally wouldn't call a woman a pussy, in the "grow a pair" sense.
I'd be okay with all these usages dying out.
― the salmon mousse (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:05 (five years ago) link
It's not similar to calling a man a pussy at all, that has implications of weakness and unmanliness doesn't it?
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:10 (five years ago) link
I prefer to just call everybody an asshole. We all have one of those.
― On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link
(Still trying to popularize 'nipple' as a pejorative but can't seem to get off the runway with that one.)
I worry about Americans visiting the UK and thinking that they can freely use the word 'cunt'. You can't, and its still the strongest swear word. It can be used in different ways among friends, but calling someonw a cunt (especially in anger) is still offensive.
Not to mention that either way it's still a misogynistic slur - from women being reduced to their genitals, to men being insulted by being called the word for a woman, it's a gendered word, whether people will admit it or not.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:12 (five years ago) link
speak for yourself buddy, i have previously established on ilx that i had a cloaca installed a while back and i'm v happy with it xxp
― capybaras are friend shaped (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:12 (five years ago) link
xxps dunno.. i get what you mean but calling someone a 'cunt' in the UK is just that. in towns like Glasgow it's used so often it's a borderline term of endearment. it's become so removed from the original meaning (like 'fuck or whatever) that I don't really think it has the same implication as 'pussy', which is definitely sexually implicit
― My name is the Pope and in the 90s I smoked a lot of dope (dog latin), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:13 (five years ago) link
And a man callng another man a 'cunt' is very different from calling a women that. xp
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link
The way it's used in Scotland is sort of ridiculous, but it's by no means a term of endearment, it's more neutral:
Alan McGee: "How did the last album sell?"Boaby Gillespite: "Shite. Nae cunt boaght it."
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link
like, saying 'that guy's a cunt', 'that guy's a dick' 'that guy's an arsehole' or a twat or anything like that - depending on the context and intention pretty much denotes that the subject is either a silly or insalubrious person as opposed to literally a body part.
― My name is the Pope and in the 90s I smoked a lot of dope (dog latin), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:16 (five years ago) link
... I mean it's neutral when used as above, I wouldn't recommend slapping someone heartily on the shoulder in a bar in Glasgow and saying, "How the hell are you, you cunt."
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:17 (five years ago) link
And you shouldn't hit on a woman by saying 'Hey, cunt - do you want a drink?'. The gendered nature of it persists.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:18 (five years ago) link
And the reason it's used as a term of endearment is because of it's offensiveness, not because it's a neutral term.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:19 (five years ago) link
It's very commonly used in construction site speak, and often not meant with offensive intent eg "ask that cunt over there, he knows".
― calzino, Friday, 1 June 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link
But not in anger, and not to women.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link
i've hardly ever heard it used to describe a woman, unless it's by another woman. it sounds a bit weird. the first time i came across it used by US people was the episode of Curb where Larry accidentally spits it out and offends everyone at the dinner party; later it's explained that it's a term to describe someone who is effeminate, which is not the UK reading at all
― My name is the Pope and in the 90s I smoked a lot of dope (dog latin), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:22 (five years ago) link
(or else it resumses it's offensive state) xp
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:23 (five years ago) link
darragh's going to get very cross at us as soon as he gets home from wrok
― valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:24 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IfoUM6a4bA
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:25 (five years ago) link
(I'm really just annoyed by people elsewhere who defend attacking women with that word by saying that it's not offensive in Scotland or Australia, when it is. Was especially common during the gamergate harassment period)
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link
It's generally a safe bet to trust the utterer's opinion as to whether or not their gendered pejorative of choice is offensive. They tend to be pretty impartial about it, I find.
― On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Friday, 1 June 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
Possibly interesting to compare perception of misogyny, harshness/taboo of insult of cunt compared to twat, is there an etymological reason for that? Don't think I've ever heard anyone complain about twat being misogynistic.
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 1 June 2018 15:55 (five years ago) link
Thinking of the gendered aspect, curiously I think it feels more manly to be called a cunt than a prick. Not that I want to be called either.
― Alba, Friday, 1 June 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
I called the woman I work for a cunt while talking to our HR woman last week during a moment of extreme anger. Was very happy when I realized that she hadn't heard me.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 1 June 2018 16:07 (five years ago) link
annoyed by people elsewhere who defend attacking women with that word by saying that it's not offensive in Scotland or Australia, when it is.
fuck up cunce
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Friday, 1 June 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link
It's a strong insult but when you're dealing with a really reprehensible asshole sometimes it is the most fitting and effective choice and yes obv it's gendered but for me that isn't really an issue when it's used by a woman describing another woman etc.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Friday, 1 June 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link
that 2001: a space odyssey was an allusion to the homeric odyssey.
― how's life, Friday, 1 June 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link
Nick b - lazy is a synonym of feckless so that usage is correct
― synonym toast crunch (Ross), Friday, 1 June 2018 16:17 (five years ago) link
That's how it's mostly used in the UK.
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Friday, 1 June 2018 16:38 (five years ago) link
Dang. Layers upon layers here.
https://i.imgur.com/jqXyoJc.jpg?1
― pplains, Friday, 1 June 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
I was shockingly old when I opened the Samantha Bee thread just now and suddenly discovered why we were discussing gendered pejoratives all day itt.
― On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Friday, 1 June 2018 21:36 (five years ago) link
the origin of the term "soap opera"
― brimstead, Friday, 1 June 2018 21:50 (five years ago) link
melodramatic show that was largely sponsored by soap company adverts innit
― Stevolende, Friday, 1 June 2018 21:56 (five years ago) link
um yeah i just didn't know where the "soap" part came from
― brimstead, Friday, 1 June 2018 21:57 (five years ago) link
That “Rudy” was short for rude boy until like, uh, last year. I just thought that Rudy was a common old fashioned guy’s name in England.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Saturday, 2 June 2018 01:28 (five years ago) link
... Jamaica, you mean.
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Saturday, 2 June 2018 05:45 (five years ago) link
probably thinking of the specials tbf
― synonym toast crunch (Ross), Saturday, 2 June 2018 06:22 (five years ago) link
True. It is a cover of a Jamaican song, of course!
― Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Saturday, 2 June 2018 07:07 (five years ago) link
haha
― synonym toast crunch (Ross), Saturday, 2 June 2018 08:11 (five years ago) link
Rudeboy Giuliani
― raise my chicken finger (Willl), Saturday, 2 June 2018 09:54 (five years ago) link
Rudeboy and the dweebs
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Saturday, 2 June 2018 12:22 (five years ago) link
That Minnie Riperton's daughter is Maya Rudolph, whom she addresses at the end of Lovin' You ("Maya, Maya, Maya").
― Alba, Saturday, 2 June 2018 13:19 (five years ago) link
yes! I think I learned that via pop up video
― flappy bird, Saturday, 2 June 2018 14:27 (five years ago) link
The specials yeah but also the clash.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Saturday, 2 June 2018 14:38 (five years ago) link
lol I was thinking about a certain clash song after reading comments about the word “feckless” on ilx this week
― mh, Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link
wait
ye were focusing on feckless
lolz
― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link
what did ye decide out of prurient interest
rudy. probably could fail
― mh, Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:55 (five years ago) link
I also thought about it immediately because of the “feckless” convo.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Sunday, 3 June 2018 00:16 (five years ago) link