US Politics, June 2018: This is a total goat rodeo.

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As has been stated by numerous legal scholars, I have the absolute right to PARDON myself, but why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong? In the meantime, the never ending Witch Hunt, led by 13 very Angry and Conflicted Democrats (& others) continues into the mid-terms!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 4, 2018

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 4 June 2018 13:01 (six years ago) link

hmmm

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 4 June 2018 13:02 (six years ago) link

I don't think Cohen and Giuliani count as either numerous or legal scholars, but okay dude.

On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 June 2018 13:06 (six years ago) link

come for Melania gossip, stay for the Tiffany shade. from nymag:

This weekend she skipped a family trip to Camp David (which even Tiffany attended).

evol j, Monday, 4 June 2018 13:23 (six years ago) link

Wondering at what point even the hardcore 'who cares about Melania'-ers will begin to admit that this is strange.

On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 June 2018 13:27 (six years ago) link

It's strange but the simplest reason for it is probably the most likely - she doesn't want anything to do with being flotus when the potus defends his porn fling.

BrianB, Monday, 4 June 2018 13:32 (six years ago) link

isn't the simplest explanation still being under the knife?

Simon H., Monday, 4 June 2018 13:39 (six years ago) link

I mean, yeah, it's probably nothing more complicated than a separation. I just wonder how far down the 'everything is fine and I am fine and I love being flotus' robo-tweet rabbit hole it's going to get before the truth finally comes out.

On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 June 2018 13:39 (six years ago) link

i don't see what's strange about the first lady saying, in essence, "fuck this i quit".

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Monday, 4 June 2018 13:40 (six years ago) link

I don't see what's strange about us saying, "Who gives a shit?"

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 June 2018 13:41 (six years ago) link

^^^

Simon H., Monday, 4 June 2018 13:42 (six years ago) link

personally i both give a shit in the sense that bad things (in this case, one assumes, some kind of marital rift) happening to the trumps is endlessly rewarding, but also do not give a shit in the sense that it will doubtless do no damage to trump's standing in the eyes of his supporters and does nothing to further any effort at advancing effective opposition to his administration

and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 13:48 (six years ago) link

well, amusing rather than rewarding, i should say

and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 13:48 (six years ago) link

I don't see what's strange about us saying, "Who gives a shit?"

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

true, we need to get this thread back to important and productive discussio....

hahahahahaha no i can't do it

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:02 (six years ago) link

I give a shit to the extent that Melania goes directly to Mueller and says 'let me tell u everything I know about the scrotal sac I am married to'.

On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:12 (six years ago) link

Does this tweet seems suspicious to anyone else? pic.twitter.com/aviQcvMuFt

— popular comedy account “the pixelated boat” (@pixelatedboat) June 4, 2018

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:35 (six years ago) link

I'll give you suspicious.

BREAKING: EPA aide tells House investigators she did personal tasks for Pruitt, was asked to help get used Trump hotel mattress.

— AP Politics (@AP_Politics) June 4, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 June 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link

um

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link

i uh waht

and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link

I take this to read that it's a mattress Pruitt used IN a Trump hotel -- which is weird enough and begs questions -- but if it's Trump's mattress from a hotel, then even more uh.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 June 2018 14:54 (six years ago) link

I dunno, collecting any detritus which poses a grave public health hazard because it's been in direct physical contact with the body of Donald Trump seems well within the purview of the EPA.

On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:57 (six years ago) link

doing things which fall within the purview of the epa seems distinctly out of character for scott pruitt tbf tho

and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 14:58 (six years ago) link

Wondering at what point even the hardcore 'who cares about Melania'-ers will begin to admit that this is strange.

this is another thing I hate about this presidency, they're so shady and perpetually dishonest that it's turning everyone into truthers

frogbs, Monday, 4 June 2018 14:59 (six years ago) link

A CNBC reporter mentioned seeing her last week around the West Wing or the like, so I've been skeptical if amused. Supposedly she's turning up at an event in the WH today.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 June 2018 15:00 (six years ago) link

could have been a ghost tbf

and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 15:02 (six years ago) link

As for the mattress

https://www.apnews.com/a21259d0e3a4431791ee32813f838a59/Aide:-EPA's-Pruitt-sought-used-Trump-hotel-mattress

In a letter to committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, they say Hupp carried out personal errands for Pruitt. They include helping him find a place to live in Washington, D.C., and book a Rose Bowl trip. There also were discussions to secure a used mattress from the Trump hotel.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 June 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link

A CNBC reporter mentioned seeing her last week around the West Wing or the like, so I've been skeptical if amused. Supposedly she's turning up at an event in the WH today.

Said event is closed to the press, of course. I'll wait for a proof-of-life photo holding up USA Today.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 4 June 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link

my bet is at this point they are just letting the speculation continue until she shows up like nothing happened. Queue SHS being her horrible self and chastising the lame stream media for freaking out so much about it.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 4 June 2018 15:41 (six years ago) link

"Her nose has ALWAYS looked like that."

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 June 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link

she's getting work done to look even more like him

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 4 June 2018 16:02 (six years ago) link

not gonna lie that would be great

and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 June 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link

As has been stated by numerous legal scholars, I have the absolute right to PARDON myself

As has been stated by numerous legal scholars, Congress has the absolute right to define what is and isn't impeachable and in my view, any president who PARDONED themselves has committed an impeachable abuse of power.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 4 June 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link

Lucky for Trump, you aren't among the many Congresspeople who will look in the complete opposite direction when/if he decides to do so (although I look forward to several of them issuing very stern and completely inefficacious Maverick-esque statements condemning such an action).

On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 June 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link

xxp If Melania and Donald decided to pursue a whole Genesis P. Orridge/Lady Jaye thing I would totally be there for it.

Eliza D., Monday, 4 June 2018 16:12 (six years ago) link

too bad half of the people in Congress are sycophants for this idiot

frogbs, Monday, 4 June 2018 16:13 (six years ago) link

and in my view, any president who PARDONED themselves has committed an impeachable abuse of power

But Aimless, what if the investigation was a total partisan WITCH HUNT led by totally Flawed, Compromised Democrats, and the president did nothing wrong, and the phony "Crimes" were just a distraction from doing the people's true business, which is MAGAing?

Huh? What then?

I mean, in such a circumstance the President has not only the right but the Duty to make the FAKE INVESTIGATION go away, so that he can get back to serving the pee, um, people.

emotional support vegetable (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 June 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link

brb, changing the DUMPLINGS! autoreplace to PARDON MYSELFs.

WilliamC, Monday, 4 June 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link

i am exasperated and ready to separate from civilization for a week. here are three things that nate silver said this morning:

1) In general, election-related punditry (i) is a few weeks behind the actual data, but once it catches up to the shift in the polls it both (ii) exaggerates swings and (iii) overestimates precision (underestimates uncertainty).Nate Silver added,

2) So instead of:

"Over several months, the House has gone from modestly favoring Democrats to more like a toss-up; it's a meaningful-ish change but a wide range of outcomes remain plausible"

We get:

"OMG a BLUE WAVE was ALL BUT ASSURED and now SUDDENLY Democrats are BLOWING IT!"

3) ou can also find examples of people erring in the other direction and denying that there's been *any* good news for the GOP.

Need to hold these 3 ideas in your head at once:

1. It's gotten a bit better for the GOP
2. It's still pretty good for Dems
3. Uncertainty is very high

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 June 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link

don't know why i didn't just embed those tweets

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 June 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link

uncertainty (and stakes) is high

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 June 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link

this will dent GOP prospects, no matter what the outcome

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/04/immigration-dreamers-house-republicans-617945

Οὖτις, Monday, 4 June 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link

they finally found someone who looks enough like Melania

https://www.politico.eu/article/melania-trump-conspiracy-to-return-to-public-eye-monday/

frogbs, Monday, 4 June 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link

I can't see how any republican would want Trump to stay where he is instead of mild mannered Pence - unless they enjoy how he attracts all attention to smoke screen their evildoing

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Monday, 4 June 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link

There is also likely an extent to which the GOP recognizes that formally recognizing Trump's illegitimacy calls into question their own complicity/legitimacy/judgment. If your brain only recognizes the short-term consequences of your decisions, I guess doubling down on a dumb play makes sense.

On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 June 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link

It's not that they all like him, but the Republicans who dislike Trump are afraid of facing the anger of Trump voters, if they allow him to be removed from office. Besides, working with people you loathe is an integral part of politics.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 4 June 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link

Yeah I agree with Aimless re:

I can't see how any republican would want Trump to stay where he is instead of mild mannered Pence

They don't love Trump as much as they fear the thousands of froth-beflecked redhatters in their districts, who will call for their heads if they fail to bow down to the EmperOrange.

emotional support vegetable (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 4 June 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link

conspiracy nerds a-frothin'

There was an American witness.

Melania. https://t.co/wQOrGHGjL3

— emptywheel (@emptywheel) June 4, 2018

Simon H., Monday, 4 June 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link

It's no surprise yet totally surreal to see liberals attacking Trump on North Korea **from the right**. The significance of the summit is not that it might restrain Kim Jong Un, but that it might restrain Trump from starting a catastrophic war.

— Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) June 4, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 June 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link


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