Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

well if you found 'evidence' on the internet it's all over QED

Yeah, we all know huffington post uploads fake court documents all the time, lol.

he said he was "accused by one woman in a child custody case," he didn't say who instigated it.

not that the court document is false or anything but huffington post is a pretty shitty site fyi.

provably lies about Mia Farrow as in the first example

i was going to ask you how that is 'provable,' Perry Mason, but i'd actually rather shoot myself

Are you all on Woody's side or someting? :/

yeah... :/

I would never be on a side that would have someone like me on it

I mean, who bloody cares? We're not defending a prodigy, and he's made illiterate stupid movies for years. Fuck'em.

He was not in a child custody case when he was accused by Dylan.

my feeling is that mia and woody are prob both pretty terrible ppl, but i don't think you have to be "on woody's side" to find moses farrow's account as credible as dylan's.

ok but fuck woody allen for what he said in that linked piece

there are many, many reasons to say "fuck Woody Allen." I don't have any reasons to say "fuck Moses Farrow."

You can choose to believe an account over an other, but let's not pretend like it's less about personal politics than knowing what really happened.

Not even Dylan and Mia have said 'fuck Moses Farrow'.

the moses account has definitely made me question stuff i thought already so i don't have a "side" - it seems strange to be capable of leveling the kind of vehement certainty about this awful, private situation that Fred does

Woody Allen has only ever been a poster boy for himself.

Things we know with 100% certainty about this case: Woody slept with Mias daughter, treated their daughter Dylan weirdly (though the details will remain murky) then began smear campaign against Mia. These are objective facts, with numbers of witness statements and a ruling from a judge. Don't muddy the case more than it is.

ok boss

I mean we can dunk on a director saying he should be "the poster boy for the MeToo movement" just because he hasn't harassed female actors he worked with regardless of what his crimes may be.

'i didn't harass my female leads, i just made movies where fortysomething comedians date teenagers, nbd'

yeah let's all be on celebrity "sides" where nobody knows what the fuck happened

hey Fred, is it a smear campaign when you don't know how much of it is true?

If this thread has taught me anything, it's to assume that most public figures are human garbage and to be pleasantly surprised on the rare occasion when that isn't the case.

A friend of mine recently remarked that Jim Henson died too young, and in the back of my mind I'm like "did he?"

...

waht

I'm still glad that the most scandalous thing to come out about him was that he and his wife were just keeping up the appearance of marriage for a number of years (and that he was dating Daryl Hannah at the time of his death, apparently?).

If any bombshells ever drop about Fred Rogers, I'm officially done with humanity.

Old Lunch is right.

My thought-flash was somewhere between "possibly best to refrain from idolizing celebrities, lest they disappoint you," a more pessimistic "some dirt always comes out about even the most beloved public figures, it's only a matter of time" and the deeply cynical black-hearted thought of "exit the stage while you're still a saint; death can be a great career move." I'm not proud of it but the thought did occur to me. I mean, Kevin Clash went from globally admired to nonexistent in like a month.

Even when it isn't mired in scandal, the inglorious fall of a beloved children's entertainer is a helluva blow (see: David from Sesame Street, or don't if you're still blissfully ignorant).

lambchop might have some dark secrets but i doubt it

im still not over those pics of grover shooting up

^you joke but those pics of the dad from Alf doing that came pretty close to feeling as bad for inner childhood me as if it had been Grover

correct i joke

i dont feel particularly responsible for the correlation in yr head btwn grover and another person fyi

my post wasn't intended to make you feel like you should!

the whole thing is a sorry mess *shakes muppets head*

some celebrities make it easier than others to believe the worst about them, re: Woody

California judge Aaron Persky, who in 2016 sentenced former Stanford swimmer Brock Turner to only six months in prison after he was convicted on three counts of felony sexual assault, was recalled from office after Californians voted Tuesday to remove him from the bench. He is the first California judge to be recalled since 1932, and the first in the United States since 1977.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/06/us/politics/judge-persky-brock-turner-recall.html

Wow.

hell yeah

✊🏼

Solid. F yeah fellow California voters.

this story about the case and the recall is pretty intense

https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/brock-turner-michele-dauber

whoa wtf with david from sesame st. I didn't know about any of that. I'm shocked they kept him on the show after he beat a woman with an iron rod.

also, Bill Clinton, ladies & gentlemen! (should not do any more interviews, or "write" novels)

to wit:

https://splinternews.com/how-is-bill-clinton-allowed-to-keep-saying-things-1826734797

That event uninviting Monica Lewinsky because Bill Clinton was going to be there was wild.

i heard clinton on NPR the other week and he sounded so incredibly old and doddering, they should not truck him out for anything at this point.

Off topic but there must be like a million podcasts hatereading that novel by now right

Remarkable how much worse Bill Clinton sounds & looks compared to Jimmy Carter, who is 20 years older and survived brain cancer.

i wonder if a couple decades of being conspiracied by the right wing hasn't taken its toll, i bet that dude sometimes wishes he'd just pondered a run in 1992 and then decided to retire into some kind of private endeavor.

but then he thinks of all the bombing he may have missed.