I'm tired of Adam's shit, for sure.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 July 2018 03:16 (six years ago) link
immensely tired. it's also fun to make fun of people who continually suck ass and are annoying and GG is tops in that
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 7 July 2018 03:33 (six years ago) link
far behind the reg posters here
i passed "tired" 8 years ago
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 08:01 (six years ago) link
I think this is the most revealing part:
RT: There are anti-establishment voices on the right and on the left. How has the perceptions of the left and the right shifted?
G.G: I think, in Italy you see, for example, that what is traditionally the right and the left is changing very dramatically. There is a government in place formed by a coalition of what traditionally has been called the left and the right. But they are now really called more opposition to the establishment.
In the United States for a long time this shift has been taking place. Two of the most important protest movements in the US – one was the Tea Party, the other was Occupy Wall Street – were both perceived to be on different ends of the political spectrum. Yet they had very similar issues in common. They were protesting the bailout of Wall Street after the Wall Street crisis, the domination of corporations. When Donald Trump ran for president, even though he was perceived as a right-wing candidate, he did so by criticizing the Iraq war, by criticizing American militarism, by promising to ‘drain the swamp’ of corporate influence.
You see a similar dynamic in Brexit, where there were elements of the right and the left against the European Union. I think that left and right as we understood them for the last four decades are starting to morph into pro-establishment and anti-establishment dynamics and that will only continue.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 08:14 (six years ago) link
Does anyone really doubt anymore that the reason it seemed as if he did anything he could in autumn 2016 to hurt Clinton and help Trump was because he supported Trump?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 08:18 (six years ago) link
No
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 09:53 (six years ago) link
I mean, he goes on RT because they pay him. He goes on Tucker because they pay him. He’s a venal sellout who stands for nothing. This is completely obvious.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 09:54 (six years ago) link
I don't know, he seems to stand for plenty, it's just that it's either aligns with, or is easily co-opted by, right wing authoritarianism.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:53 (six years ago) link
He is one step away from realising that, hey, the establishment is pretty Jewish? And then there will be no contradictions in his thinking anymore.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:54 (six years ago) link
Sorry, he is two steps away from that. It's probably 'rootless cosmopolitanism' next, or something like that.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 10:55 (six years ago) link
Some fun quotes from back when he was every lefty's favorite Bush-basher:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dhd6R8bUcAEDV_z.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dhd6SmIU8AAE8jj.jpg
It's really hard to imagine how he ended up supporting Trump, isn't it?
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 7 July 2018 11:16 (six years ago) link
Wow
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 12:10 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, Saturday, July 7, 2018 4:18 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― El Tomboto, Saturday, July 7, 2018 5:53 AM
put down the Danish crack pipe
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link
GG supported the candidate who called for his friend Snowden's execution -- got it! That makes Obama's "rope-a-dope" look like... well, a much smaller Centrist Democrat fantasy.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:04 (six years ago) link
sadlol
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
I enjoy dismissing your irrational defensiveness about this racist Fox News nincompoop more than you enjoy calling me a centrist
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:12 (six years ago) link
You're really basing your defense on a fantasy of GG and Snowden being bffs?
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:12 (six years ago) link
What principles of Greenwald's do you think Morbius actually supports? Or is it just Greenwald good, Clinton and Obama and the Democrats bad, Trump a non-factor?
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:27 (six years ago) link
“principles of Greenwald's”
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link
Scott at LGM points out this gem, which is delicious
G.G: No, if anything, it’s convinced me that it’s more unlikely than ever. There are factions within the intelligence community of the United States, the NSA, the CIA, the FBI that hate Donald Trump and will do anything to destroy him, including leaking classified information against him. I believe that if there were evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russian government, when it comes to the hacking of the DNC or the John Podesta emails, we would have seen it by now.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
ha hahha what in the actual fuck. unless his objective is just bare-faced accelerationism then I’m worried he may be suffering from a brain parasite
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 7 July 2018 15:03 (six years ago) link
the Clintons = racist Goldman Sachs nincompoops
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 15:46 (six years ago) link
(also enthusiastic recipients of Trump cash)
But what do you think that has to do with anything? And would you, like GG align yourself with straight op Italian fascists to combat Clintonistas? That's the point.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 July 2018 15:48 (six years ago) link
i dont know what youre talking about. i havent even read a Greenwald column in weeks/months. so grind away.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:01 (six years ago) link
So it really is exactly what I said above. Greenwald good (you don't even have to read his work to know so), the Clintons, Obama, and the Democrats as a whole evil, Trump a non-factor unless he can be used as a weapon against the Democrats. Quite a worldview you've got there, Doc.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
my worldview is ilx can eat shit
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
Morbs is a committed blue voter he just hates his options most of the time, and I think he reflexively defends GG because the-enemy-of-my-enemies etc
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 July 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
he goes on DemocracyNow too btw... so is he a racist Amy Goodman nincompoop too?
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
Half a mil per year isn’t interesting enough so he takes paid time on Tucker and RT.
Note that according to First Look's IRS filings, it appears Greenwald is receiving 3 times the salary his Intercept co-founder Laura Poitras is. Which is outrageous, considering that Greenwald's career was made by the Snowden story, which was Poitras's scoop, not Greenwald's.— Idrees Ahmad (@im_PULSE) July 15, 2018
― El Tomboto, Monday, 16 July 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
dog kennels are expensive
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link
xpost dumb take. Greenwald was a pretty big deal pre-Snowden.
― President Keyes, Monday, 16 July 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
gonna risk stepping in it majorly here and ask: is Poitras actively doing stuff? I feel like I haven't heard much from her since Citizenfour.
― Simon H., Monday, 16 July 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
poitras stepped down from the intercept in 2016 iirc
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
this is an important conversation
― k3vin k., Monday, 16 July 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link
she runs- is exec producer and co-creator at https://fieldofvision.org - still under first look.
without knowing what the expected relative wages for their respective roles would be this is just wild conjecture used to dismiss a hate figure
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
She had that Assange-related film that came out two years ago (essentially the arc of her disenchantment with him, apparently).
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
Should have linked to the beginning of the thread instead of the tweet about Poitras. Oh well.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
"Western masochism," that's cute... sounds like a Bush
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:14 (six years ago) link
The idea that Greenwald earns 500.000 $ to blog about the deep state and how he himself did nothing wrong in 2016 is ridiculous. And also, isn't 500.000 $ from Ebay 'corporate money'?
― Frederik B, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:29 (six years ago) link
New profile in the New Yorker:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/09/03/glenn-greenwald-the-bane-of-their-resistance
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 27 August 2018 14:41 (six years ago) link
“They’re just using the law as a political weapon against Trump, just as Brazilian élites are using it against Lula.” He was referring to Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, the leftist former President, who had just begun a prison term for corruption and money laundering.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 27 August 2018 14:47 (six years ago) link
they're just *squints* enforcing the law
― guardians of the gums: i am tooth (voodoo chili), Monday, 27 August 2018 15:08 (six years ago) link
He was wearing shorts and flip-flops
this again
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 August 2018 15:26 (six years ago) link
As I sit in my b-boy stanceWith flip-flops and socks, and sweatpantsI finna enhance your brain, check it out
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 27 August 2018 15:31 (six years ago) link
i actually knew parker a little years ago and have a low opinion of him thus-wise: he took over as editor of a small part of a long-dead UK newspaper's weekend section and proceeded to reject a bunch of excellent proposals i'd sent to his predecessor (who i got on well with). parker and i had a little pre-online fight abt them, i went elsewhere truculently, he quite soon after got a job as a new yorker writer and wrote (in my entirely unbiased opinion) some v mediocre longform pieces, i now forget what about but they were bad not good
anyway, it's strikes me as entirely typical of parker's (and the modern new yorker's) laxity that the quote tombot highlights is all that's said abt lula: bcz an examination of how lula and trump are perhaps superficially similar but actually VERY different would (it strikes me) tell us quite a lot more abt greenwald's politics, and also highlight similarities and differences between US and brazilian elites
(adding: i think there's a ghost of an argument to be made here -- but parker doesn't require greenwald to make it, so i have no idea if my version of it overlaps with GG's)
(garry wills's version of it is here -- may be sub only, apologies if so)
― mark s, Monday, 27 August 2018 15:45 (six years ago) link
https://deadspin.com/tennys-sandgren-now-enjoys-a-very-intense-friendship-1828626154
not sure if he's become friends with PGA Tour vet and 9/11 truther Golph Schultz yet.
― omar little, Monday, 27 August 2018 16:18 (six years ago) link
really looking forward to reading this profile, hopefully it’s at least somewhat critical. GG was a writer who meant a lot to me in college but I haven’t read him regularly in years; I do think his beat is a legitimate one even if it’s annoying and seemingly increasingly tendentious. he has lost some credibility with me over the years and I wish he were better at putting things into perspective and being less of a troll
― k3vin k., Monday, 27 August 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
It's more ironic than critical, but it's delicious.
― Frederik B, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
It's great stuff like this:
In the Trump era, Greenwald seems to be most energized when he discovers flaws in Democratic messaging, or in the output of an MSNBC contributor; this summer, he wrote a piece about a single uncorrected error by Malcolm Nance, a former intelligence officer, who had mistakenly said that Jill Stein had a show on RT; Greenwald used the words “lie,” “fabrication,” and “falsehood,” and their variants, twenty times, and proposed that “NBC News and MSNBC have essentially merged with the C.I.A. and intelligence community,” and that “anyone who criticizes the Democratic Party or its leaders is instantly accused of being a Kremlin agent.”
― Frederik B, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link