the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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I find it hard to believe FSB assassination standards of professionalism has dropped to such a low in this era, that they are leaving dangerous/incriminating materials in skips. but wtf knows anything these days?

calzino, Friday, 13 July 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link

Standards slipping everywhere, not like in my day etc.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Friday, 13 July 2018 22:02 (six years ago) link

they haven't outsourced their famous Cheka to some ATOS style nightmare ffs, have they?

calzino, Friday, 13 July 2018 22:08 (six years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiA3mraW0AAIWDq.jpg

calzino, Friday, 13 July 2018 22:24 (six years ago) link

one of our corpses is missing!

calzino, Friday, 13 July 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link

lol that is desperate

i'm not condoning this either, because fuck any kind of ad hom, but it seems to me that if Trump had been on the Mail's enemy list they'd have been ripping the piss out of his suit, stance, etc in that picture

more like Toss, Ow amirite? (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 July 2018 22:33 (six years ago) link

aye he should at least be holding her piss-bag and then kneeling a bent fucked up knee!

calzino, Friday, 13 July 2018 22:37 (six years ago) link

Splendour.

LOL the Mail is so ridiculous, the subeditors must be pissing themselves putting this stuff together.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Friday, 13 July 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link

talk about "shackled to a corpse"!

calzino, Friday, 13 July 2018 22:50 (six years ago) link

"corpses" tbf

calzino, Friday, 13 July 2018 22:52 (six years ago) link

zombie remake of The Defiant Ones

more like Toss, Ow amirite? (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 July 2018 22:53 (six years ago) link

I love the fact that 'pomp' is a unambiguously good term to them.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Saturday, 14 July 2018 01:03 (six years ago) link

I'm not seeing a whole lot of "splendour" in that hallway. It looks like any grandma's house.

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 14 July 2018 01:26 (six years ago) link

> I find it hard to believe FSB assassination standards of professionalism has dropped to such a low

there was quite a trail of polonium left across London the previous time, traceable by it's radioactivity

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/11/litvinenko-killers-radiation-trail-london-inquiry

koogs, Saturday, 14 July 2018 02:15 (six years ago) link

yeah but I thought it would be difficult not to leave traces of such a highly radioactive material, and presume these were just barely traceable and benign radioactive hotspots left behind. As opposed to deadly traces of nerve agent at large, with the potential of killing random civilians. This type of sloppy practice should be discouraged in the assassins regs!

calzino, Saturday, 14 July 2018 05:50 (six years ago) link

Hang on, are the mail calling the Queen a pygmy???

plax (ico), Saturday, 14 July 2018 06:02 (six years ago) link

Xps

I’m curious as to what alternative theory conspiracists can can up with that accounts for all the weird stuff that they’re currently pointing out as inconsistencies (why it hasn’t been deadly in 80% of the cases, why the Skripals were both fine for hours and then both got ill at the same time despite being different weights, ages, etc, why the delivery mechanism of the door handle was chosen when any rain would have rendered it ineffective, why Russia would even bother trying to kill an old spy they’d let out of prison years ago, etc).

Not many of those things would be straightforwardly explained by someone else (the U.K., US, Ukraine, etc) using Novichok in a false-flag operation.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 14 July 2018 06:05 (six years ago) link

" why Russia would even bother trying to kill an old spy they’d let out of prison years ago, etc"

this is why I don't believe it has anything to do with Putin, he has so little to gain from this mess and could have offed Skripal years ago if he was worried he knew too much, or wanted to make an example of him.

calzino, Saturday, 14 July 2018 06:12 (six years ago) link

some of the people that post the conspiracy theory stuff on this subtract all their credibility by retweeting Galloway tweets, but they might be even be right about some things!

calzino, Saturday, 14 July 2018 06:28 (six years ago) link

False flag operation theories just strike me as moronic tbh. Incompetent freelancer theories less so, although it doesn't sound like novichok is exactly easy to get hold of.

TBH I try not to read this stuff because it's basically opting to stick your head in the sewer.

Matt DC, Saturday, 14 July 2018 09:38 (six years ago) link

Just because the official story doesn't seem to add up - it doesn't mean you then need to sign up to any alternative theories which are also full of holes, unless that theory is 'fuck knows', which is looking pretty solid right now

anvil, Saturday, 14 July 2018 09:54 (six years ago) link

I can't really fathom any explanation that makes much sense for all the Novichok business. Some kind of lower level non-governmental Russian-linked hit on Skripal perhaps, that was ham-fistedly done? The "UK (or other country) did it to make it look like Russia did it" conspiracy theory seems a bit too much.... but yeah at this stage (and maybe always) "fuck knows"!

brain (krakow), Saturday, 14 July 2018 10:05 (six years ago) link

I think you'd need to wait decades (maybe even quite a lot of them) and have some Poirot have unfettered access to UK and Russian secret service archives, before even getting close to wtf is really going on now!

calzino, Saturday, 14 July 2018 10:06 (six years ago) link

Was there ever a fully fleshed out 'official story'? The reason for the diplomatic crisis was the novichok is supposedly only from Russia, meaning it somehow, someway was linked to Russia. Was it ever more detailed?

Frederik B, Saturday, 14 July 2018 10:08 (six years ago) link

our official response was initially a comedy hardman offering Russia out!

calzino, Saturday, 14 July 2018 10:10 (six years ago) link

I think the Russians took it as a Mr Bean pastiche.

calzino, Saturday, 14 July 2018 10:16 (six years ago) link

The lack of a fully fleshed-out story is part of the problem. The government line on some of the details hasn’t been consistent but the gist of the case is “well, who else is it going to have been?”.

The (inevitable) degree of secrecy around a wide range of things including whether Porton Down also makes Novichok (which it legally can iirc), whether Skripal was still actively involved in espionage, etc, whether there is a degree of certainty around Russia having a bio-weapons programme, etc will always encourage odd theories but the shifty way in which the government has managed the bits of information it can, or wants to, get out there hasn’t helped.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 14 July 2018 10:30 (six years ago) link

None of which means Russia didn’t do it, but the degree of hamfistedness around the public handling of the investigation, combined with a widespread distrust of the security services and government, has probably led to a higher degree of scepticism than you’d get otherwise.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 14 July 2018 10:32 (six years ago) link

a trustworthy spook is probably not doing their job tbf

more like Toss, Ow amirite? (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 July 2018 10:43 (six years ago) link

It was all a setup to make Corbyn look weak /jezbot

shaqiri tip (nashwan), Saturday, 14 July 2018 12:57 (six years ago) link

Must say even for the Mail that 'protest shames Britain' line feels like new depths. "rent a lefty"! If people got paid to show up I need a slice of that action. Just algorithm words collage front pages as their death throes climax.

shaqiri tip (nashwan), Saturday, 14 July 2018 13:00 (six years ago) link

never forget that parallel Dacre-verse where May won a huge majority and some saboteurs grapes got crushed...

calzino, Saturday, 14 July 2018 13:09 (six years ago) link

I think it's a misjudgement tbh, even a lot of Daily Mail readers don't want Trump welcomed with open arms. Not to the extent of joining a protest or voting for Corbyn, but still.

Matt DC, Saturday, 14 July 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link

they don't really object to his/our own worst right wing excesses in recent history, he's just a bit crass and loud for them.

calzino, Saturday, 14 July 2018 15:01 (six years ago) link

Tbh the stench of spoiled senescence that comes off the mail these days is a discredit to Elizabeth who I imagine to be a quite fragrant old lady all else aside

U. K. Le Garage (wins), Saturday, 14 July 2018 15:04 (six years ago) link

she looks very lively and full of vitality for her age... oh no hang on sec that was the other one.. have they already started with the embalming fluid ffs!

calzino, Saturday, 14 July 2018 15:07 (six years ago) link

Incredible Pro Trump rally in Sheffield. One Free Tommy protestor has latched on. pic.twitter.com/milgmaHAdC

— Otto English (@Otto_English) July 14, 2018

Matt DC, Saturday, 14 July 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link

"THERE IS NO FAR RIGHT"

meta commentary on their own comedic failure is surprising!

calzino, Saturday, 14 July 2018 16:09 (six years ago) link

My interaction with a Tommy Robinson supporter today... pic.twitter.com/7QU5j5Uagx

— Sonia Gallego (@SoniaGallegoAJE) July 14, 2018


Rod Liddle has let himself go a bit these days.

calzino, Saturday, 14 July 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link

Funny, I was thinking looks like Rod Liddle's made more of an effort than usual. Either that or what happened to Anarchy in the UK, Steve?

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 July 2018 17:09 (six years ago) link

sometimes I think these Tommy Robinson supporters might be a bit on the unpleasant side, perhaps they need a hug?

calzino, Saturday, 14 July 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link

From the Guardian's "Conservatives" section...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/14/minister-steps-down-after-sending-explicit-messages-to-constituents

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 July 2018 21:28 (six years ago) link

He was the guy heckling Corbyn when he was speaking about social care for the elderly...reported to have said (he denied it) “you should be in social care”.

Beef in the Commons as Conservative takes issue with Jeremy Corbyn on social care pic.twitter.com/S27207iMSd

— Esther Webber (@estwebber) November 22, 2017

gyac, Saturday, 14 July 2018 22:08 (six years ago) link

Charming fellow.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 July 2018 22:10 (six years ago) link

This is bizarre:

Lol you must be joking. Blairite red Tories intentionally tanked social media advertising intended *to remind people to register to vote* https://t.co/sgZZk3M9Lu pic.twitter.com/xB3B9mVbvg

— libertarianism in 4 words: pothead who is racist (@inthesedeserts) July 14, 2018

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 14 July 2018 22:30 (six years ago) link

It comes as no surprise

more like Toss, Ow amirite? (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 July 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link

Incredible story in the Sunday Times - no friends of the left, by any stretch - it now seems certain that Labour Party HQ cost the party the 2017 election. Through incompetence, crap strategy and contempt for their own leadership. Madness https://t.co/1IqX673iNk

— dan hancox (@danhancox) July 14, 2018

so Labour HQ deceived Corbyn during the '17 election campaign by running fake ads only him and his team could see whilst running their own off-manifesto parallel campaign. Heads should roll.

calzino, Sunday, 15 July 2018 09:00 (six years ago) link

oops!

calzino, Sunday, 15 July 2018 09:06 (six years ago) link


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