There are some throughlines in the recent ones, which apparently carry through in a fairly pronounced way in the new one.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link
The first three are basically standalone films more in the traditional Bond sense, zero callbacks to the other films unless you count the carryover presence of Ving Rhames. The Hunt character is completely different in each film too. Going from ice cold agent to hot blooded loverman action guy to put upon domesticated Abrams hero.
The last two and presumably the new one have more carryover and seem more consistent. It’s virtually a separate trilogy and a total reboot.
― omar little, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:18 (six years ago) link
I think PSH being underutilized added to it. That's the one thing Abrams does OK if he sticks to it -- having villains that seem genuinely intimidating as long as he doesn't have them on the screen too long. He overplays it half the time!
So uh the Abrams movie is basically him doing a more concise first season of Alias, can anyone really disagree
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link
I'm really mixed on whether I think having the wife character (played by Michelle Monaghan) reappear is a good idea. Depends on how they play it, but I thought the somewhat write-off in Ghost Protocol was a good idea but, at the same time, the reveal felt like dead weight in the plot
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
oh man, from the wikipedia article on MI3, after they explain the revolving door of directors/writers they went through:
After a dispute over the film's tone, Carnahan quit in July 2004. Tom Cruise then called J. J. Abrams, offering the directorial role for the film after having binge-watched the first two seasons of Alias.
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
Had no idea Abrams directed all of those episodes. Impressive stamina, m'man.
― Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
oh we spoiling now cool
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
she's in the trailer...
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link
my issue with mi3 is that it's ugly as sin
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
man a Joe Carnahan M:I would have been...something.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
Carnahan regrets that cinemagoers never got to see his version.He says, “Were we going to do something that would have kicked the s**t out of the movie they wound up doing?“Absolutely. I’m not even going to shy away from that. I know the film we made was going to be better because I thought it was important. And the movie we were making was about private military and what’s going on in Africa.“I had Kenneth Branagh playing a guy who’s based on Timothy McVeigh. And I think the cast that we had–Ken, Carrie-Anne Moss, Scarlett Johansson–that’s the biggest heartbreak for me because I saw how amazing they would have been.“If you would have seen Carrie-Anne Moss move with a handgun after a month and a half, it would have blown your mind.“And we had flat-out the two best mask reveals in the franchise history. Like those mask pulls dealt with major plot stuff. They weren’t just these cartoony things.”
He says, “Were we going to do something that would have kicked the s**t out of the movie they wound up doing?
“Absolutely. I’m not even going to shy away from that. I know the film we made was going to be better because I thought it was important. And the movie we were making was about private military and what’s going on in Africa.
“I had Kenneth Branagh playing a guy who’s based on Timothy McVeigh. And I think the cast that we had–Ken, Carrie-Anne Moss, Scarlett Johansson–that’s the biggest heartbreak for me because I saw how amazing they would have been.
“If you would have seen Carrie-Anne Moss move with a handgun after a month and a half, it would have blown your mind.
“And we had flat-out the two best mask reveals in the franchise history. Like those mask pulls dealt with major plot stuff. They weren’t just these cartoony things.”
― Number None, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
wtaf at this shocking mistreatment of the greatest line ever uttered
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Tuesday, July 24, 2018 9:59 AM (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
deems i'm explicitly on this board to troll you, get used to it
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
The budget on that thing was $150 mil and it looks like trash.
― omar little, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
that description of the hypothetical Carnahan one sounds equal parts amazing and horrific
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
MI2 has major issues but at least it looks major-scale.
it's especially noticeable when you're watching all of them bc the rest of the movies are p beautiful and have outstanding individual shots (the scene of kristin scott thomas wandering through the blue fog in the first one knocked me out recently and i've seen that movie a million times bc i was obsessed with it as a kid.) mi3 has the color palette of quake 1
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link
the whole dinner party scene intro might actually be an alias episode with the dialogue hastily rewritten
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
fuck I might have to rewatch some of these now. I still haven't seen the fifth one
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
Rogue Nation is ugly as hell, too!
― An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:07 (six years ago) link
xp imagine the fourth movie, only with the rhythm of Jack Reacher and then throw a group trying to be SPECTRE into the MI landscape, only done fairly minimally
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:07 (six years ago) link
i still have to rewatch that one but i'm pretty sure i disagree (possibly i am so dumbstruck by the visuals in the fallout trailers that my memory has totally visually redesigned rogue nation) xp
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link
I'm loathe to compare anything to the really overwrought Bond movies of late, but I swear the villain of Rogue Nation was shown footage of Mr. White from the Bond films and told "deliver lines kind of like that"
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
Rogue Nation looks great. It’s a little more visually close-quarters than Ghost Protocol and doesn’t rise to it but it’s p thrilling aesthetically nonetheless.
― omar little, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
https://okinawaassault.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/vlcsnap-134960.png
― omar little, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:11 (six years ago) link
Is PSH the only memorable villain in these movies? I feel like it's their persistent weakspot.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:14 (six years ago) link
first twenty minutes of m:i actually kinda scared the shit out of me when i was a kid, especially emilio estevez's death
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:14 (six years ago) link
the fluctuation between czernay and voight as the antagonist in it is actually pretty solid villainy imo
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link
Main fail for me in Ghost Protocol is the lovely yet decidedly terrible Paula Patton. Rewatched RN two nights ago and it just looked like a monochrome sludge and pretty much all of it in medium shots.
― An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
Czerny was super good playing those icy govt bureaucrats. See also: Clear and Present Danger.
― omar little, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
cobalt in ghost protocol is kind of a non-entity but the real villain in that film is nuclear annihilation
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
PSH coasts in MI3. He’s pretty memorable but also very much the type of bad guy who lasts on episode of a TV show. Which is what that movie felt like anyway.
Most memorable villains probably the three headed monster of Voight/Redgrave/Reno in the first one.
― omar little, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:19 (six years ago) link
hard for me to think of max as a villain
i love the max callback in ghost protocol, where hunt requests a meeting with an arms dealer and they make him wear the same hood
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:21 (six years ago) link
oh i guess she is a villain bc she wants that list of deep-cover operatives but idk she's so much fun, redgrave rules in that movie
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link
Love how she’s totally into Ethan once she thinks he’s legit, drops the steel and turns on the flirting.
― omar little, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:24 (six years ago) link
imo they should redeem Monaghan's thankless presence in these movies by making her the baddie in the next one (esp since he more or less inducts her into the killing game in MI:III)
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
I'd actually be all-in for the "Ethan, we don't do things that way!" junk in the trailers be a foreshadowing of the character actually cracking and Cruise's character cracks and is straight-up shooting people in the face for half the movie. I mean, they won't, buuuut....
― mh, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:14 (thirty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no way sean harris pwns
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
minority report
https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/mission-impossible-fallout
http://www.keithuhlich.com/2018/07/a-little-more-on-mission-impossible-fallout.html
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:42 (six years ago) link
i enjoy relentless spectacle if it's fun and these movies tend to be fun
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:47 (six years ago) link
discouraged by his repeated references to the dark knight but surely the action is shot better
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:52 (six years ago) link
I am powerless against well-crafted action trash, so I'll be seeing this Sunday.
― a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:55 (six years ago) link
finally watched Rogue Nation yesterday and found it mostly a chore so I guess I should sit this one out
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
this movie has so much fun with how ridiculous it is
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:37 (six years ago) link
^^^ what i wanna hear
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:18 (six years ago) link
it all but winks at you if you were on board with the last two, it whispers "oh, i *dare* you to declare it silly at this late stage" pretty much throughout. hugely irreverent imo
felt v much like a 60s/70s tv show (maybe not ~the~ tv show) at times in pacing and setup.
and not just for henry cavill's presence, but parts felt a bit like the man from uncle remake, the bits that worked like.
packed a lot of action in- a. lot. it should have suffered from fatigue but our audience at least was still jumping at the last few bashes and crashes
cross, swap, misdirection, double cross, triple cross, wait is the next twist what i thought it was, tons of that
i think it did an expert job of letting you see the next twist before the big reveal- three or four times throughout- so that even first time around you can enjoy the tells and double meanings
too long, got both too serious and too ridiculous in the final scenario, serious lack of coherent bad guys, no need at all for monaghan, id put it between iii and iv in a ranking
baldwin pwns
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Wn41WPO.png
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 27 July 2018 00:45 (six years ago) link
i want to see this v much
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 27 July 2018 01:23 (six years ago) link
That Uhlich thing is ugh
The only thing worse than Rotten Tomato morons rageing at film critics is the film critics’ subsequent valedictory blog
“Why am I the only critic brave enough to speak the truth about Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time: The Movie? [quotes Henry James]”
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 27 July 2018 07:20 (six years ago) link
lol
― Number None, Friday, 27 July 2018 07:22 (six years ago) link
lotta Scientology allies in this motherfucker
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 July 2018 11:42 (six years ago) link