cantwell
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 01:02 (five years ago) link
Goodspaceguy’s got a beard now!
― faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 01:26 (five years ago) link
See you next cycle, Al-Sayed.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 06:34 (five years ago) link
Yeah, he's a born candidate. I daren't speculate yet just how much his name and religion hurt him.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 12:13 (five years ago) link
On the plus side
BREAKING: Democratic Socialist @RashidaTlaib is the projected winner of #MI13. She will replace John Conyers and makes history on two fronts: she becomes both the first Muslim congresswoman and first Palestinian-American woman ever elected to Congress. https://t.co/g09MTbZ1gg— Daniel Medina (@dmedin11) August 8, 2018
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 12:26 (five years ago) link
Counterpoint:
According to Israel lobby group @jstreetdotorg, Michigan congressional candidate @RashidaTlaib supports “all current aid to Israel” – that means she supports the bullets & bombs used to kill Palestinian children and their parents in Gaza. https://t.co/TmvKfipDGx— Ali Abunimah (@AliAbunimah) August 8, 2018
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link
lmao calling JStreet an "Israel lobby group" as if it's not closer to JVP than AIPAC
― faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
Liz from Leeds is my nu-god
Last week when @AyoCaesar was on The Wright Stuff, Liz from Leeds rang in to explain communism and it was beautiful. 😍😍 pic.twitter.com/OJoCHicuey— Novara Media (@novaramedia) August 9, 2018
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 August 2018 12:56 (five years ago) link
novara crew are going to need a better line on the USSR etc. than that
― ogmor, Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:01 (five years ago) link
Are they?
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:09 (five years ago) link
if only stalin had had more revolutionary zeal
― ogmor, Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:21 (five years ago) link
I don't really think it's up to present-day communists to answer for past regimes any more than it is present-day capitalists' job to answer for [insert major war or other foreign misadventure of your choice]. It's a dumb line of argumentation.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:41 (five years ago) link
I agree but that doesn't make no true scotsman arguments convincing
― ogmor, Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:46 (five years ago) link
liz from leeds i luv u
― a space stewardess (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 August 2018 15:42 (five years ago) link
made this while bored at workhttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10160621854435304&set=a.98630175303&type=3
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 17 August 2018 02:28 (five years ago) link
https://i.imgflip.com/2fzdto.jpg
Ha, is that from an actual Misfits show?
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 17 August 2018 02:34 (five years ago) link
could be, I just wanted a tense/ambiguous image of a crowd of people so I GIS'd mosh pit photos
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 17 August 2018 02:36 (five years ago) link
A+
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 17 August 2018 03:04 (five years ago) link
Corey Robin in the NYT:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/opinion/sunday/what-socialism-looks-like-in-2018.html
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 24 August 2018 22:07 (five years ago) link
It took Mr. Sanders to convince them that if tax credits and insurance exchanges are the best liberals have to offer to men and women struggling to make stagnating wages pay for bills that skyrocket and debt that never dissipates, maybe socialism is worth a try
What a ridiculous statement. You have miles and miles of distance to cover on the spectrum of re-distribution of wealth in America. How about exploring some of that before pursuing an entirely different economic system. If you're really serious about advocating something, which you have no evidence of being ever being succesful to a fraction of what you promise, then how about addressing the major inherent inconsistencies in the economic theory before deciding that "eh, it's worth a try"?
The socialist argument against capitalism isn’t that it makes us poor. It’s that it makes us unfree.
There are many arguments against and valid criticisms of capitalism. Expounding does in no way increase the merit of socialism. Marx had that drivel about the oh so terrible division of labor as well, but at least he put forward a more or less coherent theoretical base. How about starting there?
Socialism means different things to different people. For some, it conjures the Soviet Union and the gulag; for others, Scandinavia and guaranteed income
Denmark, Sweden and Norway are literally examples of how wealth generated from capitalist economies can facilitate strong social programs to ensure high living standards for everyone and people are actually using it as an example of why capitalism is bad?
Under capitalism, we’re forced to enter the market just to live. The libertarian sees the market as synonymous with freedom. But socialists hear “the market” and think of the anxious parent, desperate not to offend the insurance representative on the phone, lest he decree that the policy she paid for doesn’t cover her child’s appendectomy. Under capitalism, we’re forced to submit to the boss. Terrified of getting on his bad side, we bow and scrape, flatter and flirt, or worse — just to get that raise or make sure we don’t get fired.
This is written by someone with a degree in political science? What kind of argument is this?
― Milton, Monday, 27 August 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link
an argument that sure sounds fucking effective if you've ever been that anxious parent
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 27 August 2018 15:19 (five years ago) link
Cool sock Prof Friedman
― faculty w1fe (silby), Monday, 27 August 2018 15:24 (five years ago) link
And why do you need to abolish capitalism to fix it? You know there are capitalist countries where basically everything up to breast implants is 100% covered by the state, right?
― Milton, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link
Actually, in many cases, you can get public grants for breast enhancement surgery here in Denmark, so imma scratch that
― Milton, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
we need to abolish capitalism because it's destroying the planet and can't be "fixed"
also, you're in the wrong thread, you want this one:
your terrible ideas
also, FP
― sleeve, Monday, 27 August 2018 17:57 (five years ago) link
what's with the proliferation of Danes
― faculty w1fe (silby), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link
did Fred leave the back door open again?
― sleeve, Monday, 27 August 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link
why do you need to abolish capitalism to fix it?
Good lord, This is the reddest of red herrings. "Abolishing capitalism" is nowhere on the US political radar. the highest flights of contemporary US socialism extend no further than "Medicare for all", student debt relief, and some form of livable wages. There are minor rumblings about Universal Basic Income, but they are no larger than a tiny cloud on the horizon. Europe is also far from trying to abolish capitalism, afaics.
Simmer down a bit and try to address reality.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link
tbf my city council rep is on the record as in favor of nationalizing Amazon.com
― faculty w1fe (silby), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link
european capitalism is good yo varying degrees capitalism isnt the problem tbh sorry
― flaneur brayin (darraghmac), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link
there's only one capitalism
― faculty w1fe (silby), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:08 (five years ago) link
~ bob marley
― flaneur brayin (darraghmac), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:08 (five years ago) link
no point in a totalizing theory if it doesn't totalize
oh i enjoy the discussions dont mind me
― flaneur brayin (darraghmac), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
I was addressing an article that was posted here that criticized capitalism. Not crony capitalism, not unhinged capitalism, not neo-liberalism, not corporatism, not the state of the american economy. Unless the NY Times is in its own bubble way left of the US political radar, how am I off target?
Aboloshing capitalism because of environmental concerns is probably the only valid argument, yeah.
― Milton, Monday, 27 August 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
just as well we're literally destroying the planet and it's the most pressing concern in the existence of the earth
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link
an article that was posted here that criticized capitalism.
god forbid! we all know that capitalism is beyond criticism. btw, here is a direct quote from that article:
There’s not much discussion, yet, of classic socialist tenets like worker control or collective ownership of the means of production.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link
Someone tweeted that the Onion has moved to the left of Jacobin and it's all I think about when I see their political stuff now. https://t.co/KM69clgVAO— Matt Pearce 🦅 (@mattdpearce) August 27, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 27 August 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
god forbid! we all know that capitalism is beyond criticism.
Dude, i literally wrote in my initial post: "There are many arguments against and valid criticisms of capitalism". That doesn't mean that any unsubstantiated claim against it should stand unchallenged.
― Milton, Monday, 27 August 2018 19:49 (five years ago) link
how am I off target?
By implying that abolishing capitalism was the point of the article you were responding to.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 27 August 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
It’s an op-ed, it’s not going to be “substantial”
― faculty w1fe (silby), Monday, 27 August 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link
Capitalism has varying "iterations" but none, AFAICT, are sufficient to the task of the massive reorientation needed to circumvent climate catastrophe.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 27 August 2018 20:24 (five years ago) link
As soon as capitalism stops supplying me with cheap bup, it's in big trouble.
― calzino, Monday, 27 August 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link
bup?
― faculty w1fe (silby), Monday, 27 August 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
Fuckin' booze
― calzino, Monday, 27 August 2018 20:51 (five years ago) link
lol I looked that up and the internet told me it was UK speak for "bread and butter" but I was pretty sure u meant booze
― sleeve, Monday, 27 August 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link
I don't think some of the colloquialisms of Dewsbury make it to Urban Dictionary!
― calzino, Monday, 27 August 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link
hey have you guys ended capitalism yet
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 August 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link
we've only just started this morning, jeez
― faculty w1fe (silby), Monday, 27 August 2018 21:03 (five years ago) link