keeping a close eye on this thread because I'm considering doing something similar, although probably less robust until I get my traveling feet back under me
― mh, Monday, 13 August 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link
By way of the "? for a week":
Antwerp is totally worth it. I think Antwerp and Ghent are both more interesting than Bruges, although Bruges has its charms of course.
People like Cologne, I didn't take to it much (though the thing with the bringing the constant little excellent beers is good).
I've no idea whether you are interested in cathedrals and that but Aachen Cathedral is unbelievably brilliant. There's not a great deal else in Aachen though we found a few nice bars and there are a couple of wacky modernist churches.
― Tim, Monday, 13 August 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
Jesus I said all that about three posts ago and I had completely forgotten, sorry.
― Tim, Monday, 13 August 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
you did but it was good info and thanks!
i hope to get a day in either ghent or antwerp, the cologne stop is to meet up with one of the brothers and tbh is a tough more eastward than id hoped to be at those dates but worth rearranging for the sake of the company
likewise it means one day free between cologne and hamburg, the distances/ease of travel are p negligible so does anyone have any recs for anywhere fun/cool?
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 13 August 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
sic and matt may be somewhat smug that i have indeed invested in a big donkey of a wheeled suitcase for the purposes
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 13 August 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
I spent a few hours in a Decembery Bremen once, on a day trip from Hamburg. They have an exceptionally good expressionist alleyway!
It was hammering with rain but we still enjoyed it, I wanted to stay longer. It might have been my pre-Xmas mood but it seemed like the sort of place you could have a drink.
― Tim, Monday, 13 August 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link
Everything between Düsseldorf and Hamburg is skippable, unless you're into sooty industrial architecture, and cows.
― oder doch?, Monday, 25 June 2018 07:16 (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ha, content noted.
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 13 August 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
IIRC the best venue in town is shunned by the natives because its owners are from Düsseldorf. And the beer is from the Sauerland.
― oder doch?, Monday, 13 August 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
I prefer Ghent to Bruges as well although I like both a lot.
― Matt DC, Monday, 13 August 2018 17:05 (five years ago) link
^ into Bruges
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Monday, 13 August 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
^^ ghent say no
― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 13 August 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
Ghent ftw
― breastcrawl, Monday, 13 August 2018 21:23 (five years ago) link
Going to Gent next month, for business but, it sounds like, also for pleasure. I do like Brussels though, more each time I visit.
― droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 13 August 2018 21:45 (five years ago) link
So in the cathedral in Ghent they have Van Eyck’s Adoration of the Mystic Lamb, except that currently it’s undergoing some conservation. You can see the main thing (with high-quality photos of the bits being fixed to give you the impression) in the the cathedral as usual. The conservation process is happening panel by panel in public view in the art museum across town. It’s amazing. And the painting itself is amazing obviously.
― Tim, Monday, 13 August 2018 21:50 (five years ago) link
lisbon-barcelona-lyon-brussels-cologne-bremen-hamburg-berlin is how this is gonna play out
thanks for all the info so far (and happy for any recs for above, esp lyon-hamburg steps)
― liberally social (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 August 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
It was six years ago, but the tasting menu at Manairo in Barcelona is still the best meal I've ever eaten.
The food in Lyon is glorious as well. Don't eat the andouillettes.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 16 August 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link
I love andouilletteLa politique, c'est comme l'andouillette. Ca doit sentir un peu la merde, mais pas trop
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 16 August 2018 20:46 (five years ago) link
not selling it tbh
lyon v def a food destination
Barcelona gonna be a v quick overnight, looking forward to a late tapas and beer maybe the most realistic prospect as im on the road early morning again. if its close and doable ill look that place up tho, thanks
― liberally social (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 August 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
If it's your one night in Barcelona then tapas, beer and wandering are a much better bet.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link
been before, will be back again. this trip is pretty unpressured in that sense tbh so its whatever strikes me or whatever whimsy takes me save for the portions of it im accompanied (lisbon, brussels-cologne, berlin)
even then ill have some say in things, except for berlin.
― liberally social (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link
This is hardly secret knowledge but Ramiro in Lisbon is as good as people say.
― Tim, Thursday, 16 August 2018 22:31 (five years ago) link
Jesus is from Goa is a ridic good tiny spot of a restaurant in Lisbon. I was so into it that I went back to Lisbon a day early (from Porto) to eat there again. And then booked a flight to India to visit Goa proper.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 17 August 2018 00:02 (five years ago) link
I guess the proper name is Jesus e Goes with some accent marks thrown in, but you get the picture.
What would you like to eat in Lyon? Do you know what days of the week you will be there?
― Yerac, Friday, 17 August 2018 01:40 (five years ago) link
I have spent the equivalent of 7-8 months total in Lyon in the last 2 years so ask away about restaurants or where to go.
― Yerac, Friday, 17 August 2018 01:43 (five years ago) link
will do, ta
q1 does anyone really eat andouillette?
― liberally social (darraghmac), Friday, 17 August 2018 06:24 (five years ago) link
Unasked-for and fully ignorable personal top brick expressionist architecture sights from the German portion of your journey:
1. Cologne: St. Engelberts (didn't get inside this one but it looked fab enough from outdoors. Good excuse to use the tram from the entre of town)2. Bremen: Böttcherstraße (aforementioned alley featuring the hobbity-medievalist end of brick expressionism, has an excellent little museum dedicated to Paula Modersohn-Becker who I hadn't heard of before we went but whose work I loved). 3. Hamburg: Chilehaus (probably my favourite brick expressionist building outside Amsterdam or Vienna, the sharp modernist end of expressionism, also contains a fancy shop which is good if you want to look at classy garden supplies or lovely stationery, as all civilised people must)4. Hamburg: the rest of the Kantorhaus viertel (several handsome buildings of the type, all get a bit overshadowed by the Chilehaus but still good wandering)5. Berlin: Kirche am Hohenzollernplatz (absolute classic masterpiece, I still can't quite believe it's from the 30s, conveniently close to a U-bahn and open most of the time due to art exhibitions in there)6: Berlin: Hufeisenseidlung (Horseshoe estate) (OK not so bricky and maybe more modernist than expressionist but this is a must-see for any social-housing based trip and a surprisingly pleasant spot).
― Tim, Friday, 17 August 2018 10:53 (five years ago) link
one of the best things I ate in lyon was self assembled from the produce at the local food markets along the river: some soft creamy cheese with fresh figs and top class french baguette
the paul bocuse food halls are class (if a little bougie)
go eat huîtres (with a little glass of white) by the saône
― ||||||||, Friday, 17 August 2018 12:08 (five years ago) link
there’s an amazing little place to view the sunset at the top of croix rousse where all the local youths assemble to chug beers and canoodle
the gallo-roman museum is unmissable for the building itself
― ||||||||, Friday, 17 August 2018 12:10 (five years ago) link
cheers cheers
― flaneur brayin (darraghmac), Friday, 17 August 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I was about to say unless you have a hankering for something specific restaurant wise in Lyon, like dying to go to a bouchon, I would hit the St Antoine marche on the Saone (open all days until 1pm (not Monday because, Monday ya know) although nearer the weekend has more prepared foods, Croix Rousse marche on Saturday and there is an evening marche with some prepared foods on the Rhone on the Part Dieu side near the big outdoor pool. Get some poulet roti, mmmmm. There are beer barges over on the part dieu side right over Pont Wilson too if the weather is nice. I would completely skip Bocuse Les Halles, it's out of the way and expensive, although pretty if you just want to take pics or want an expensive seafood tower. There's a pretty good pizza place near Perrache and inexpensive conveyer belt sushi that is actually decent for France (with discount on The Fork, La Fourchette) if you are feeling it. I really like Parc Tete D'or but it's a little out of the way (but they have a free zoo in the middle). I also think you should walk up to the ruins and basilica and see some of the traboules. This one in Croix Rousse is popular and is pretty cool for pics. https://travelguide.michelin.com/europe/france/rhone-alpes/rhone/lyon/cour-des-voraces
― Yerac, Friday, 17 August 2018 22:16 (five years ago) link
hey that's great stuff, thanks. lyon def gonna be a wandery day or two
(tho i think i will do a bouchon too over the two days)
― flaneur brayin (darraghmac), Friday, 17 August 2018 22:19 (five years ago) link
I would do lunch for a bouchon, it will be less crowded, the set menu noticeably cheaper and you will have more hours to digest all the heavy food. You are a beer person ( I could be wrong) but Brasserie Georges is a cool spot (oldest brasserie in the city and it's huge) and they have their own beer, you can just drink at the bar and not have to dine in.
― Yerac, Friday, 17 August 2018 22:24 (five years ago) link
Oh, that evening market by Pont Wilson and the beer barges is only Thursday evening.
― Yerac, Friday, 17 August 2018 22:25 (five years ago) link
im not a beer person but if its called for i can do one with the right food.
think my lyon days are tue/wed so market out
― flaneur brayin (darraghmac), Friday, 17 August 2018 22:31 (five years ago) link
Oh, Saint Antoine will be open (before 1pm) early in the week so mostly produce although I am sure you can get some saucisson. I was obsessed with going everyday. But I am obsessed with looking at food. If you need recs for wine instead I have those too.
― Yerac, Friday, 17 August 2018 22:33 (five years ago) link
veuillez s'il vous plait!
― flaneur brayin (darraghmac), Friday, 17 August 2018 22:42 (five years ago) link
Feels like a bit of a waste to be drinking beer rather than wine in Lyon, especially when you will be going to several of the best places for beer in the world later on.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 18 August 2018 09:02 (five years ago) link
....what if i said brandy
― flaneur brayin (darraghmac), Saturday, 18 August 2018 09:08 (five years ago) link
Then knock yourself out, literally.
If you're in Lyon for a short time I'd probably aim to spent more time in the area around the Saône rather than the more modern bits on the other side of the Rhone. Having said that the old town can get pretty hectic but there are some gorgeous squares to sit and drink as you approach it from the river.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 18 August 2018 09:08 (five years ago) link
top of the montée de la grande côte is the spot at the top of croix rousse where it's nice to sit with a beer (or wine) on a nice day, watching the sun go down - https://goo.gl/maps/nSixkUmN1gs
parc d'or is out the way but worth doing. the modern art gallery is nearby and was decent, though there was a big festival on at the time so may be more variable
― ||||||||, Saturday, 18 August 2018 09:46 (five years ago) link
one of the best things I did in lyon was go to the opera on a cheap standing ticket (un place debout) then nab an unoccupied seat once the show starts
― ||||||||, Saturday, 18 August 2018 09:50 (five years ago) link
staying up beside part-dieu but i dont see getting around as being a prob rly so reasonable distances welcomed ta
― flaneur brayin (darraghmac), Saturday, 18 August 2018 11:11 (five years ago) link
On a train from Narbonne back to a Paris, very close to Lyon at the moment. But I’ve only spent a couple of days in Lyon ever. I need to go back. I’ll be in Lisbon in October for a week+, will check out that seafood place. Last time in Lisbon I was quite ill (see some TMI thread for details) and am looking forward to a richer experience this time.
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 18 August 2018 12:39 (five years ago) link
Part Dieu is fine. You can walk from the train station to Vieux Lyon in under 30 minutes.
― Yerac, Saturday, 18 August 2018 14:17 (five years ago) link
friday!
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 October 2018 23:07 (five years ago) link
Wasnt gonna say anything but glad you didSafe travels dude
― F# A# (∞), Monday, 8 October 2018 00:41 (five years ago) link
Make sure to keep in mind the important priority of updating this thread on everything you do and see and eat every day
― Shy Betting Mega Hit (sic), Monday, 8 October 2018 03:19 (five years ago) link
Don't forget updates on the state of your bowels!
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 8 October 2018 03:34 (five years ago) link
these are very strange responses!
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Monday, 8 October 2018 10:16 (five years ago) link