So Aziz Ansari played a small comedy club here in Madison last night, tickets went on sale the day before, absolutely zero press, just an email to the club's list (with the unfortunate header "EXCLUSIVE MEMBER ON SALE"). Presumably the beginning of his "let's see if people still like me?" comeback.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 20 August 2018 15:12 (six years ago) link
I don't think Aziz will have too much problem
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 August 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
he'll be fine
Louis could probably come back next fall
― flappy bird, Monday, 20 August 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
yup
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 20 August 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
Also low-key on the road: TJ Miller, Jeremy Piven...
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 20 August 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
feel pretty bad for the kid in the argento settlement. he's had a rough time on several fronts.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 20 August 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
it helps that the Aziz story was... debatable... from the get-go
― Nhex, Monday, 20 August 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
Miller is possibly not really likable enough to regain what he had, he was already considered trouble before that (and before the fake bomb thing on the train or whatever.). Piven could reinvent himself, maybe start with taking the dead badger off his head and go back to bald.
― omar little, Monday, 20 August 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
did the Aziz thing really ruin his career?
― frogbs, Monday, 20 August 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
Too early to say, but it was definitely not great for his image/persona.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 20 August 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
lets wait and see how next season of Master of None does (assuming there is one?)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 20 August 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
yea I don't really know if the Aziz thing penetrated the public consciousness the way Louie did, especially b/c Louie's way of being a creep was kind of unique and memorable in a way the Aziz thing wasn't ? but like if he's doing Madison with no press that seems kind of significant, his show in Milwaukee a few years back was huge and sold out pretty quickly iirc
― frogbs, Monday, 20 August 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link
the way that aziz was a creep was so intensely relatable though
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 20 August 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link
I think the Aziz story was way more criticized and was not as widely accepted as others.
― Evan, Monday, 20 August 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
i don't think the comparison to other stories matters really -- unless that is what people are using to mentally justify going to see his comedy show
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 20 August 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link
I don't really know if the Aziz thing penetrated the public consciousness the way Louie didtry "permeated" instead of "penetrated" the next time you want to talk about sexual assaultjust saying
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 20 August 2018 18:20 (six years ago) link
Louis also wasn't a revelation, the story/stories had been out there for years. and being a creep/perv was a huge part of his act, as opposed to Aziz or Eric Schneiderman, where their public statements/work were completely at odds with what they were accused of. that's much harder to recover from.
― flappy bird, Monday, 20 August 2018 18:24 (six years ago) link
huge eyeroll that Aziz's work was completely at odds with what he was accused of
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 August 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link
there was a huge amount of support on social media for Aziz Ansari after that stuff came out, in a way that didn't happen with Louis due to, I guess, the multiple accusers and admission of guilt in his case.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 20 August 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
Schneiderman's stand-up was next level tho
― President Keyes, Monday, 20 August 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
xxxp ...Master of None ?
xxp and yeah, like I said before, Aziz will be back. his was a unique case, afaik one of the only #MeToo story to be heavily criticized.
xp u know what i mean
― flappy bird, Monday, 20 August 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link
comedians = bad dates
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 August 2018 18:48 (six years ago) link
Ansari wrote a book on dating!
― com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 20 August 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
"maybe start with taking the dead badger off his head and go back to bald."
I've a cousin who is a pub rock/wedding band vocalist/guitarist whose lover paid for his arse-hairs to be transplanted onto his head, or something like that. Earlier my mum was saying he looks so young these days, not even slightly troubled by the creepiness that he has more hair now than when he was 18, and the way he suddenly stopped wearing hats 24/7! I find it troubling that people get past their mid-40's and their biggest worry is how much hair they haven't got. And I get annoyed when actors with a full barnet do fake bald, rather than using a genuine baldy for the role.
― calzino, Monday, 20 August 2018 19:05 (six years ago) link
it wasn't a bad film but i was always a bit bummed when STATHAM put a brillo pad up on his dome for The Bank Job.
― omar little, Monday, 20 August 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
here is Statham in The Bank Job:
https://jayfan.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/bankjob12.jpg
but like if he's doing Madison with no press that seems kind of significant, his show in Milwaukee a few years back was huge and sold out pretty quickly iirc
this is how comedians develop material. I've seen Aziz play a basement unannounced at half past midnight to fifty people who were already there, the night before he played a sold-out theatre to 3,191 people.
― 16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Monday, 20 August 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, August 20, 2018 8:12 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he's headlining the Orpheum tomorrow
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 20 August 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
i think i must have misremembered,i guess statham growing out the hair he has for that '70s look was just a very formative experience.
― omar little, Monday, 20 August 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
I saw that, but it was literally just announced today. Maybe he'd be doing these 'working out new material' shows anyway, but also seems pretty clear he wants to avoid press.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 20 August 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link
aziz's low-level brohamminess was both what made that story (which had its problems!) super relatable and open to "what, it's not like she was ASSAULTED" criticism
(insert long rant about how capitalism and the entertainment industry are both inherently mean-reverting)
― maura, Monday, 20 August 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
aziz also had ONE accusation compared to about 74627 accusations against Louis CK going back years. Louis CK will not have a comeback any time soon. Aziz may well.
― akm, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 13:42 (six years ago) link
Louis CK was part of a larger problem extending back for a long time, since I guess Carlin? Pryor?, which will probably continue forever, is this really bad idea that nightclub comics are the great philosophers and truth tellers of our age
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 13:44 (six years ago) link
duh, Lenny Bruce
(not to say that the problem was larger than #metoo! i just meant that his fall from grace as perceived harder because so many people had invested all this energy in thinking he was a lot deeper and more meaningful than he was)
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 13:45 (six years ago) link
I mean, everyone lives in different whisper circles I guess
― maura, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link
this story got a little more complicated
I just received this statement from @AsiaArgento in response to the NYT story published late Sunday evening. pic.twitter.com/jAOo7TAULX— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) August 21, 2018
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link
It's tough. Obviously I want to believe people who are vulnerable—especially given the way Hollywood's exploitative nature damages so many people. But I have to say, the huge network of bad actors working for Weinstein and the way the insane V1g1l4nt C1t1zen/P1zz4g4te/Q4n0n types who have taken over the comment section of my guilty pleasure blind item site LOATHE Asia give me pause.
― maura, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 21, 2018 6:44 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i've seen climate change/"extinction is bad" disbelievers use a Carlin routine to substantiate their beliefs. all this bite size "guy at the bar talking at you" bullshit is extremely easy to digest and they make for perfect encapsulations to people who just want to say "This." and toss a link at you.
― omar little, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 16:02 (six years ago) link
I hate to tell you uppermiss, but "nightclub comic" Richard Pryor was in fact one of the most profound popular artists of 20th century America. (He was also a drug addict and a woman beater, who both suffered and inflicted suffering.)
I know very little about Asia Argento even in the public sphere, and I wouldn't berate anyone who is skeptical of (rather than denying) her guilt, just as I am of Woody Allen's. We don't know these people.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 16:08 (six years ago) link
morbz otm
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 16:09 (six years ago) link
btw if it's the same George Carlin routine the climate change harrumphers are invoking, the essence of it is Carlin saying "The planet will be fine (without humans), what Save the Planet means is SAVE US." I don't see how that can be used for "bring on the melting ice caps" by anyone but an idiot.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 16:12 (six years ago) link
― omar little, Tuesday, August 21, 2018 12:02 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The same for voting/not voting at elections.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
Morbz otm re: Pryor.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link
yeah morbs i'm with you on your points
― maura, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
I guess this belongs here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/nyregion/sexual-harassment-nyu-female-professor.html
When I was at Cal in the early 90's Ronnell was a professor there (in the comp lit department) and up-and-coming as a 'celebrity philosopher' the extent that such things exist. I was rather interested in the Telephone Book which is lovely although was mostly incomprehensible to me at the time (probably still would be). Even then on campus there were rumors that she would take particular interest in one graduate student a year and take them on as a lover, or something. Such behaviour was extremely prevalent in the 90's, my guess is a good amount of it was consensual, and a good amount of it probably hinged on these kinds of power dynamics that make things ugly. At any rate, Judith Butler comes across very poorly here IMO.
― akm, Tuesday, August 14, 2018 3:04 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah very disappointed in Butler, victims are victims, regardless of gender.
Even if those are 100% consensual the whole teacher/student relationship cliché in academia needs to stop.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
i'm not saying he (or they) weren't great, i'm just saying there's def. something i see more and more where people post shit on twitter or facebook where comedians are treated as if they ("SO MUCH THIS!!") can perfectly encapsulate these issues..where like, ultimately it IS comedy some comedy is a lot deeper for a lack of better word, but ultimately it's art and i think as people read less and generally engage w/thought less it's easy to put comedians like CK on this pedestal when I think comedy by nature has to simplify things and work on upending and using cliches for comedic effect
which is what i'm trying to talk about not pryor or carlin or any one comedian
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
like i didn't mean to denigrate pryor so much as express concern that fairly large number of american males regard joe rogan as an important thinker
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
To UMS's point:
http://time.com/4022386/life-quotes-louis-ck/
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
yeah that kind of stuff i was seeing it all the time
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 August 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link
Rogan's fans don't think he's an "important thinker," they think his guests (Peterson, Shapiro, Rubin, et al.) are important thinkers, which is much worse.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link