(from what I can tell the people who hate millennials most aren't boomers at all but gen x)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:12 (five years ago) link
I'm in the Pepsi generation
― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link
It is probably tedious of me to point this out, but the Baby Boom earned its nickname early on from sheer amazement over the numbers of infants flooding the post-war world. It was bestowed on them by newspaper journalists.
The designators for all subsequent generations have been bestowed by marketers, because the sheer weight of boomers taught corporations that selling to young people was hugely lucrative. Soon marketers learned that labeling generations made them sound like they knew arcane lore that would help corporations sell stuff. Now all this marketing hokum has become so mainstreamed that young people actually believe in it and find personal meaning and identity in their generational label.
Breaking news: being a Gen X or Millennial is about the equivalent of being a Sagittarius or a Gemini. You'll learn as much about yourself by reading your daily horoscope as you will by reading about what marketers say about 'your generation'.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link
It’s almost as if people say extremely similar things about each generation as its members pass certain age milestones.And yet, each generation also has distinct cultural experiences growing up which mark them as distinct from every other spawning of humans.
― Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link
yesterday at work i was listening to a youtube playlist of hair metal from the 80s, and i think i like it more now than I did at the time? (not sure if that would work for Steve Winwood)
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:14 (five years ago) link
being a Gen X or Millennial is about the equivalent of being a Sagittarius or a Gemini. You'll learn as much about yourself by reading your daily horoscope as you will by reading about what marketers say about 'your generation'.
well, you'd need to do your whole natal chart. Sagittarius is way better than Gemini, so I'll claim Sag for Gen X thanks!
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
Now all this marketing hokum has become so mainstreamed that young people actually believe in it and find personal meaning and identity in their generational label.
oh fuck right off, older people also believe in it
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:17 (five years ago) link
(this is however an excellent demonstration of my last post!)
But the theory has nothing to do with biology and everything to do with culture, I assume
I'll admit to not having read the whole book but my understanding is that Strauss and Howe did intend for their 'generations' to be the span of a 'season of life' (as per Ch 3: https://books.google.ca/books?id=d8bBFGJq79sC&printsec=frontcover&dq=strauss+howe+fourth+turning&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNy5LgpaTdAhUBwFkKHT1BBhkQuwUILTAA#v=onepage&q=strauss%20howe%20fourth%20turning&f=false)
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
i'm just kinda envious of millennials -- and it's easy for envy to turn to hatred -- idk I'm a Scorpio!
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
Everyone can fuck the fuck off until they take their social science prerequisites https://www.scribd.com/doc/86911597/Longitudinal-vs-Latitudinal
― Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
older people also believe in it
you are right that many do. and don't they seem ridiculous clinging onto that?
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
Aimless, are you an Aquarius? If not, I kinda feel like you must have that somewhere in yr chart
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link
it’s like y’all spend all your spare time listening to music and hiking in the woods or some shit
― Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link
they sure do, but not as ridiculous as people who take a fairly broad phenomenon and blame it on the shallow youngs
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link
I doubt that many people self-identify as boomer/genX/millenial/etc. These are labels used for other people.
― silverfish, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
And afaict generational theory was not just about shared pop culture touchstones but about shared values, behaviours, and characteristics. This is what I most take issue with. xp to self
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
Based on how astrological dabblers react when they hear it, mine must be the scariest "star sign" of all. Not Aquarius, fwiw.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:26 (five years ago) link
guessing you're referring to yr sun sign, which represents the ego (more or less), like, on ilx, people are probably most likely to perceive your mercury sign (communication/expression), mars sign (related to arguing, what excites you), and probably your rising sign, which is how you appear to others.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
people who take a fairly broad phenomenon and blame it on the shallow youngs
if blame is to be bestowed, I blame marketers and the media who parrot their nonsense with perfectly straight faces. my own experience is that the depth of 'youngs' is quite variable on an individual basis, but with the same predictability as the rich getting richer, it is those who most value depth who get deeper.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
well, with so many houses to fill and such a limited number of signs to inhabit them, then statistically speaking I would have to assume Aquarius does show up in at least one of them. so consider your guess confirmed, mathematically
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
xp to self: Geminis are actually rad too -- I kinda feel like they are the best at the internet, so it's kinda a compliment to millennials being equated to Geminis in an internet post
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:35 (five years ago) link
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, September 5, 2018 11:34 AM (thirty-seven seconds ago)
most people have multiple planets in the same sign (principles of astronomy), and plenty of signs that don't affect their personality at all. So, I think yr math is off, or you don't get astrology ... idk
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
the part of my generational heritage, whatever it is, that i think comes through most strongly in myself even today is my distrust of advertising and repulsion at branding. it's possible this is an idiosyncrasy but i think it's probably a factor of when/where/how i grew up and what i paid attention to during my youth. also fiercely hating reagan and distrusting the rich.
i also didn't enter my birth date/time into the astrology website because i don't know where it's going. why would i trust a random website?! no way, FU. lol
we owe you nothing!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
astrology is only good for owning your friends with memes, except it isn't even good for memes for me because my sign is the one all the people who make memes hate
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
Astrology is way better than the generational stuff
― 🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
I fucking hate all of you
― Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:44 (five years ago) link
Well not la lechera she just stopped in to offer a personal perspective
But JFC not being able to understand generation theory and how it’s abused by hacks is just sad
― Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
Astrology is such a Boomer thing.
https://i.imgur.com/XwSR8Js.jpg
― pplains, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
What is non-hackish about the theory in the first place?xp
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:49 (five years ago) link
my sign is the one all the people who make memes hate
i like all the signs and i also make astromemes.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link
gen x people are like boomers junior
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
I'll admit to not having read the whole book but my understanding is that Strauss and Howe did intend for their 'generations' to be the span of a 'season of life'
Still, I don't think they're attributing intergenerational differences to anything other than outside influences. The theory seems to be based on the assumption that culture (meaning all outside influences) is always changing. If culture didn't change in let's say a 50-year span there would be no reason to say a mother & daughter belong to different generational cohorts. (I haven't read the book either, so...)
― Josefa, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
but astromemes, and a bunch of ppl who are into them actually discuss this -- often reduce signs to stereotypes
like, if I were a Taurus, I'd be kinda annoyed at how all the memes about me involve food
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
As crazy at it may seem, despite all the shared values, experiences, cultural touchstones and what not, not just of our generation, but all belonging to the solid phalanx of one specific year in one specific city, all the members of my graduating high school class now exhibit a wildly diverse array of opinions about politics, religion, society and morality. Blows my mind.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
i'm a virgo and have no idea what astromemes say about virgos but historically what people say about virgos has never made me feel good
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link
ppl also discuss the fact that Beyonce has a Scorpio moon, and that is why she is awesome, despite being a Virgo
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link
The fact that culture is always changing is actually a reason why I think dividing people into discrete chronological cohorts of x years is such a flawed enterprise.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link
I'm glad we're all here rather than in the politics thread.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
― Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Wednesday, September 5, 2018 2:44 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
won't be the first one to
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
I <3 Virgos! They have an innate intellectual curiosity, they work hard, they are organized, and care about details and things that are useful and functionally important
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
afaict all possible properties have been attributed to all possible signs and all possible generations
relatedly, all foods will eventually be found to cause all possible health outcomes
― faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link
(Culture obv changed during the 'Boomer' years as much as it did between the 'Boomer' and 'X' years. And the outside influences on people of different races, classes, genders, etc within a cohort are going to be very different, for a start.) xp to self
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link
people are alike in some ways and different in other ways but in most ways, in the aggregate, they are more alike than different and have been for as far back into the past as we can peer
― faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
― sarahell, Wednesday, September 5, 2018 1:56 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Furiously taking notes on how to be a better Virgo rn.
― Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:00 (five years ago) link
every single piece of astrology content on capricorns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrK-FwELA7I
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
<3 it's not sexy but i'll take it!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
Can we make an astrology board i could get into it
― 🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
one of my fave memes is "roommate cleans negative energy with sage while you clean rest of the apartment" and the person cleaning the rest of the apartment is Virgo or Capricorn. Capricorns are rad too!
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:03 (five years ago) link