Culture obv changed during the 'Boomer' years as much as it did between the 'Boomer' and 'X' years. And the outside influences on people of different races, classes, genders, etc within a cohort are going to be very different, for a start.
Sometimes there are big jumps or disruptions in culture that allow you to see a clear before-and-after picture though. The problem is these moments don't often coincide with one other and that's why breaking gens down by particular years is so iffy. And this kind of theory is obviously a macro kind of thing that you can't look at on a micro level. Yeah, everyone is different; people even go through their own personal evolutions.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link
Like, the basic theory seems to have been that 'seasons of history' occur in a fixed cyclical pattern and that a 'generation' who passes through a 'season of life' during one of these historical seasons is going to have a number of characteristics, values, and behaviours in common. xp to self
Sometimes there are big jumps or disruptions in culture that allow you to see a clear before-and-after picture though.
Yeah, that's true that e.g. people who go through a world war or depression together may have some major shared life-changing experience but I don't think there's enough like this to support the idea of 'Generation X', 'Millennials', and a generation that is being defined before it even has much life experience.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link
Anyway, I should read the whole book so I can hate it more authoritatively.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
Waste of time, you’re probably guessing what it says just fine.
― faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
https://sayingimages.com/wp-content/uploads/capricorns-how-you-see-yourself-how-others-see-you-capricorn-meme.jpg
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
https://78.media.tumblr.com/a30133f9ffc02bfb9f7839ddddfbee00/tumblr_pbbd22Z3m01xxu1gfo1_640.jpg
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
xxxp Agree with that... I mean I've seen major lifestyle changes due to internet & mobile phones etc. but it's debatable how much effect all that's really had on people and of course more than one generation has had to deal with it.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link
anyway, Capricorns are obv badasses
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link
see this is a perfect example of being portrayed as a fucking dick
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
"please believe in this thing we made up, also we hate you"
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:26 (six years ago) link
it is definitely true that no generation has learned different lessons from the same event because it happened when they were in daycare at the time, instead of watching the same event happen as they got ready to start their first full-time job or go off to college.
we have been at war in Afghanistan for 17 years. this has had no substantially different effect on people whether they were born in 1980 or born in 2000. totally provable statement.
― Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
Obama would totally be the same person if he had been born during the 1930s. Makes no difference. People are all different and also the same! Shrug a lot and wave your hands around at the uselessness of trying to model anything with less than absolute precision.
― Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link
But wait so what if Obama had been born with a Kuato, what if that
― Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:40 (six years ago) link
that makes him a gemini right? that makes the most sense
― Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link
i'm upper mississippi and i'm on the gomy zodiac sign is the virgo
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link
xxp - so many ilxors adore "angry goat on roof"
also the newspaper memes are all kinda like that
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
the uselessness of trying to model anything with less than absolute precision.
The difficulty is not that the models derived do not apply broadly to tens of millions of people in aggregate, but that they are often presented as saying something valuable about individuals within that aggregate. A statement such as 'Gen Xers want this, hate that, or view this other thing with suspicion' is so ill-formed that it is either without useful content or else simply a falsehood, depending on how you interpret it. A statement such as Gen Xers are 15% more likely than other cohorts to say they want this, hate that, or view this other thing with suspicion, has some value.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
generations and astrology are both horseshit y'all fyi lol
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:49 (six years ago) link
TBF, so are most other means by which we aspire to condense the sum of a person or a people.
― Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:53 (six years ago) link
I am undescribible.
― Digital Squirts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
this is a board in which we are trying to settle on the exact definition of a "New Jersey," let people have their memes
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
New Jersey is a Virgo too :)
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link
generational differences can include things like "before and after the polio vaccine," but I can understand how that might seem abstract to most people here
astrology is closest to the longitudinal "hey everybody acts like this if you watch them long enough" Saturn's Return dumbassery
but yes latitude and longitude same thing shrug lol
― Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link
they're both just lines right
― challops trap house (Will M.), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 20:00 (six years ago) link
don't try to tell me any different i don't have time for your explanation i'm a goddamn moon in aries you son of a gun
― challops trap house (Will M.), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link
okay so here's another mean meme
https://78.media.tumblr.com/04f6c3734e17535b66071d104422a7c1/tumblr_p5givgAp0T1x95nrqo1_1280.jpg
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
Slippery When Wet is a Leo just looked it up
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
The version of generational differences that (I think?) you're describing makes enough sense (I think?) if I read through the sarcasm but that's not really what I understand 'generational theory' to be. xp to Tombot
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
Or if it is, that's not what I take issue with.
that's true that e.g. people who go through a world war or depression together may have some major shared life-changing experience but I don't think there's enough like this to support the idea of 'Generation X', 'Millennials', and a generation that is being defined before it even has much life experience.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 20:05 (six years ago) link
here's one for tauruses (notice free space in middle is food)
http://geekxgirls.com/images/_articles/zodiac-bingo-02.jpg
― sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
I respect ums' commitment to bringing hip hop back to its roots
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link
what sign amongst us does not appreciate a robe, i ask
― challops trap house (Will M.), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 20:12 (six years ago) link
good ass eyebrows?
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 20:15 (six years ago) link
assbrows?
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
I recently interviewed a 19 year old who told me "I am an old soul, so I tend to identify with millennials."— Liam Stack (@liamstack) September 14, 2018
oooooooof
― https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcZZlQ4Tmrc (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 September 2018 23:26 (six years ago) link
👌
― faculty w1fe (silby), Friday, 14 September 2018 23:33 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=entVpj_IT6M
are people born in 1998 really self-identifying as millennials/gen-y'ers these days? is this the future Ella O'Connor fought and died to secure?
it's a good song (especially by youtube musician standards) though I don't think any of his concerns are unique to his generation except for the bit about climate change really hitting the fan
― ghood ghravie (unregistered), Monday, 15 October 2018 20:00 (five years ago) link
Does it still count as having millennial burnout if I've never come close to optimizing anything?
― jmm, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 14:39 (five years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxdPH_VV4AAyp9N.jpg:small
oh well, whatever, nevermind
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:12 (five years ago) link
https://pics.me.me/boomers-yelling-at-millenials-for-toast-millennials-yelling-at-boomers-39502162.png
― Right column Leftist (sunny successor), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 15:30 (five years ago) link
A mistrust of science isn’t new — it’s been around since science really started picking up steam, and the thought that it’s definitive of our age is just wrong. Noticing that we should be skeptical of the thought that we are going through some particularly new and baleful moment in the history of ideas. We’re not: we’re just retracing arguments that humans seem, perhaps just as a matter of temperament, to be inclined to trace. The contemporary leftist who responds to those who want to use, e.g. blockchains for social good by pointing out bitcoin’s ecological cost, or who responds cynically to data about how fewer people are living in extreme poverty thanks to capitalism by pointing out that, well, thanks to capitalism, in not so long, fewer people will be living full stop thanks to climate change can, I think, be viewed as giving voice to the same sort of anti-progress viewpoint as Rousseau. It didn’t take Derridean differance to enable people to wonder about the negative effects that progress entrains.
https://medium.com/@mittmattmutt/millennials-as-romantics-not-postmodernists-b678818d84ad
Hat tip michael B for the link
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 12:05 (five years ago) link
Obviously it’s a super pop, super surface level example of intellectual history, but I think it’s more accurate than, for instance, jordan peterson’s fuming over “postmodern neo-marxists.” There is some truth to the observation that so-called social justice warriors are more interested in perspectives than facts, but this isn’t a point against them. We live in a period of uncertainty—the irrationality of our society is impossible to overlook at this point and there aren’t “pragmatic” answers to things like climate change, only revolutionary ones. In these condtions it makes sense for people to turn to ideologies that from the outside might seem factional or non-constructive to older generations.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 12:15 (five years ago) link
It’s not a coincidence that Diogenes is one of the heroes of Jenny Odell’s buzzworthy book about “resisting in place.”
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 12:16 (five years ago) link
every moment has its same profile
― deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 13:53 (five years ago) link
i find the present moment is spoiled for choice in terms of language, and while the attendant imprecision can be difficult i appreciate the richness of, particularly, queer language.
you can call such people - they can call themselves - post-modernists or romantics or counter-enlightenment (this is _completely different_ from "dark enlightenment") or any number of other things; the words themselves are less important to me than the diversity of thought engendered thereby.
i find that when alt-right types use the trappings of rationalist, enlightenment discourse - when they attempt to affix concrete and immutable _meanings_ to words - this is often an attempt to create new epithets and slurs they can use against people they disagree with. when faced with people like peterson who so clearly show the limitations of rationalist thought, why should one attempt to rationally debate them? my refusal to rationally engage with these ideas and those who espouse them is not an opposition to reason, but merely the recognition that the preconditions for rational discourse do not exist. hence productive and useful activity requires alternatives to poisoned discourse, requires re-framing.
― Burt Bacharach's Bees Made Honey In The Lion's Skull (rushomancy), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 13:54 (five years ago) link
I think there's a differentiation between scientific realism and practical implementation that's hinted at but not realized in there. Very few people are going to fault Isaac Newton for publishing on a theoretical cannonball that's able to fire far enough to orbit the planet because it was technologically impossible at the time and purely a thought experiment. Comparing that to the blockchain, where the practical implementation is not only possible but the effects of popularization predictable in the near term, are two different matters.
You could counter that the tendency toward questioning social positions is a more hypothesis-centered approach in that social cause and effect are taken into account. I think claiming it's a romantic viewpoint blows past the stance that ethics have a role in the application of science, and so-called objective thought is often anything but. It's not vague forces that move from materials science to a glut of plastic objects floating in the ocean, and it's not "bad feelings" coming from racist ideologues that people are worried about. It's the adoption and unfettered growth of seemingly innocuous things far beyond their original scope, and you can make epistemic arguments showing exactly how these things have played out historically.
― mh, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:12 (five years ago) link
When people talk about a rationalistic worldview they don’t just mean a position that believes in science’s ability to answer questions about the material world. They mean the Enlightenment position that human reason is the tool can overcome all obstacles—so like Steven Pinker. It’s a normative view not an epistemological one, but it disguises itself as such.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:41 (five years ago) link
Peterson is a weird example because he is a true reactionary—he doesn’t think we should “mess with” thing like the market or language, as this would be dangerous social engineering. But nevertheless he is interpreting the romantic or postmodernist tendencies of millennials as dangerous to civilization.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:43 (five years ago) link
I think the main issue with JP is he has no idea what he's actually saying and just has a punchlist of things he thinks are bad while bumbling on about human reason
― mh, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:47 (five years ago) link
I agree with the author of the medium piece that we’re in an era of skepticism in america. People are more likely to describe social problems as intractable, or constitutive of our society in a way—a society that is wasteful and destructive in its essence, requiring new paradigms. This kind of structural critique used to be confined to academia or certain pockets of radicals or whatever but now it’s mainstream.
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:51 (five years ago) link