what's your point here exactly? that people in film school like him because he's successful? wtf does that have to do with anything
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link
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― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 28 July 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link
>how about you discuss the "disturbing adult themes" in, say, Catch Me If You Can?<
No, not a classic. Quite a decent Missing/Inadequate Dad Complex meditation (major Spielberg motif), tho, with both Leo and Walken putting in unusually deep performances before returning to check-cashing roles.
The Terminal: America as Last Best Melting Pot AND Dubya's Fortress ("America is closed").
JP2 was the last of his I skipped.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 July 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link
I think Walken's performance in Catch Me If You Can is completely immemorable, as immemorable as he gets, at least. Also, I'm not sure how I understand in what way Savion Glover's character in Bamboozled is any more of a "2-D sketch" than Leonardo DiCaprio's character here (note: this does not imply that DiCaprio's character IS a "2-D sketch"). And yes, the 25th Hour beats the crap out of both of these movies, and anything Spielberg's done in, oh, 10 or 15 years. I was keeping off the sucka punches on the "Spielberg more provocative than Lee" comment but if you wanna kick yourself in a metaphorical discussion-genitals go ahead!
― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 28 July 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link
Not quite. Film schoolies love him because he is the archetypal film school product. Speilberg sat through all the same classes, learned all the same rigamarole as them and then he went out and became the Nu Robot Overlord of films. It sprinkles fairy dust (read: imagined money & power) over the whole film school experience.
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― don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 28 July 2005 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link
Never said that. But Lee can't really fake provocation regularly anymore. Cine-hipsters turn to City of God, Y Tu Mama Tambien etc for that pose now.
Yeah, Walken's much more memorable sleepwalking through gangster and vampire roles, or SNL. Hey, he recites lines off the expected beats!
I was quite moved by the ending of The Terminal and chilled by A.I.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 July 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link
By the same token Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't make $250 million as an actor by being chopped liver, either. Although it is rather hard to pin down exactly what his talent was. Your point being?
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and it STILL looked fake
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i read that all the "futurists" were pissed off because spielberg ignored them and just did what he wanted to anyway!!
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the worst is futurizing stuff that doesn't make any sense, like in AI... in the future cars will only need THREE wheels!
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link
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have you seen the LA refinery lately? that IS Bladerunner.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link
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― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link
1. dude who did joe vs the volcano2. dude who did disney's the kid
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link
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I dunno. Seems like most Spielberg movies lately generate a lot more heated discussion (even if a massive chunk of the chatter comes from the usual suspects, the "spielberg/lucas killed the '70s renaissance, et al" folk) than anything Lee's put out, which are either given surprising auld lang syne (25th Hour) or ignored outright (nearly everything else in the last decade).
Big Lebowski might be the Coens' best movie, but I don't see it being their most complex or, more to it, having even a fraction of the complexity/contradiction of A.I.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 28 July 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link
Fritz Lang did a lot of stupid stuff too. Doesn't change the fact that he's among the three or five best directors ever.
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