Britain's youngest mother

It's a teeny bit different in Scotland, as always, but essentially the "13 and up" rule still applies.

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Jon, for fucks sake! I know you're kidding, but this is still a public forum and I wouldn't like to be called "pedo" for dating a 15-year old when I was bloody 19!

Also, I think you ought to check yourself: standards of the Court of Jon Williams are fairly shocking as to jurisprudence. Nick would only be a paedophile if he was arrested, charged, tried and convicted of the offence. You are not cop, judge, jury, or jailer here and furthermore, everything you post suggests you have a certain revulsion for those who adopt those attitudes.

She said: "We didn't use a condom but I didn't think about getting pregnant. I wasn't bothered at the time.

"I slept with him because I was drunk and because I wanted to. I don't regret it."

She added: "I can give up smoking any time but I don't find it affects my pregnancy.I also don't drink any more."

They can't get him for rape if she's telling the papers she's consented, surely. Statutory rape, maybe, due to her age, but not actual rape (I'm no legal expert, as you can tell).

Re: emboldened bit. Yes, maybe not now, but you try explaining to your son/daughter (if s/he's not been taken into care) why s/he was born with all manner of health problems because you haven't got two braincells to rub together.

(xpost, Suzy, WTF, so if I nip out and kill someone later on I'm not really a murderer if no-one finds out about it?)

Yea, I assume he isn't attracted to little kids so it could only be considered legalistically, so you're right.

To get back to the thread, when I was in upper sixth form at school, all the boys in my year all stopped going out with the girls in our year and all went for the third years instead. We're talking 17/18 year old boys and 13 year old girls here, for the benefit of our overseas viewers. I'm sure there was shagging going on. I wasn't privy to this, presumably being past it at the age of 17 and passed over in favour of someone still in ankle socks and training bras.

Thread: in my school the skeezy girls were all pregnant at 14 and out soon after. As they were my bullies before impregmentation I have to say I was somewhat relieved at the time. My sis is friends with many of them now. She was a borderline case!

So if he (or anyone else) actually did shag an underage girl, that doesn't make them a paedophile in itself, there has to be a trial? A conviction? I'm quite happy to believe you that he didn't, btw. But if a jury saw it differently, that would make him a paedophile, would it? See, I thought it was the *action* or *intention* that made a paedophile such, not the label put on you by others, be it a jury or a spiteful name-caller.

Also let's fight the real enemy: any guy of 15 who is putting his penis into anything other than his hand or a sock is probably going a little too fast for his own good.

Kids experiment with teh shagging. This doesn't make them the real enemy. The real enemy would be the people who don't *educate* children about the consequences of what they are doing.

NO.

Ailsa, FWIW:

pedophile: an adult who is sexually attracted to children
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

I wouldn't consider a adult/teenager sexual interaction as falling into this. (Nor would I consider it 100% ok.)

If this girl hadn't come from an underclass background, it's very unlikely she would have decided or been allowed to keep the child. To me, the saddest thing about this story is that a girl of 11 could see no better future prospects for herself than being a mother.

Incidentally, anyone convicted of shagging an underager in this country would be placed on the Sex Offenders Register, and therefore probably labelled a paedophile by the gutter press anyway. This, obviously, doesn't make them a paedophile, you understand.

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Maybe the law should differentiate between paedophilia one, paedophila two etc.

Ha, talk about ways to end your career in politics!

The pill is free and very easy to obtain in Britain, though probably not if you're 11. I don't think there would be significant class-related differences in access, and I'm not quite sure what you mean by attitudes. But yeah, I read this ages ago and I've no idea how true it is.

The more aspirational young women of whatever class origins sign up for pills, use condoms, or are just picky on all possible levels by nature. It's all about being educated in terms of options and secure enough in your self-esteem to accomplish them.

But suzy, are you suggesting the state force all pregnant under 16 year olds to have abortions, against their will? Because that is pretty horrible.

Bottom line, for me personally, it would be unconscionable to bring an embryo to term that came about as a result of non-consensual sex.

This thread fills me with despair.

The embryo, or a scared and pregnant 15 year old that's being railroaded into an abortion in suzyworld?

Bottom line, for me personally, it would be unconscionable to bring an embryo to term that came about as a result of non-consensual sex.

Suzy, can you explain your use of "non-consensual"? Do you really think that anyone having sex under 16 is incapable of consenting? Or are you talking about rape at any age, a different matter entirely.