Dynasty, s3: Canadian Politics 2018

I didn't really buy her walk-back of the Marxism comments, but Massé is a refreshing presence nonetheless

That video of MP Romeo Saganash telling off Trudeau is a balm for the soul, can we make him NDP leader immediately pls

I've come to love Massé much more over the campaign and while I don't agree with all of her policy proposal I'm glad that she might be trusted with the power of balance position.

Likewise. I don't regret my vote (I mailed it about a month ago as I'm currently abroad).

In other news, Conrad Black just described the CAQ as 'the moderate left'.

So we're to believe that the USMCA is a win for Canada? We've been bullied into partial rather than complete submission by Mango Mussolini – what a triumph indeed!

I don't know that much about trade but based on this, it's hard to see where the win is. Also, isn't part of the reason we haven't been importing US milk because of the use of rBST in the US? That doesn't seem to be covered in the article.

We're also looking at extended patent protection (from 8 to 10 years) for prescription drugs, which is going to bar generic copies from entering the market sooner, hence driving healthcare costs up.

Copyright will also be lengthened from 50 to 70 years past the IP owner's death.

Oh wow, those are both horrible.

We've reached the point where the US not pulling out of NAFTA is deemed a victory for Canada. Depressing.

I wonder if Harper might have been better on trade, honestly.

Like, our big coup is that they left Chapter 19 in the deal??

Yeah, and our duty-free limit for online orders has gone up to 150$. Pure pwnage! Let's break out the champagne!

If I understand, Canada got the sunset clause of five years to be sixteen years, no tariffs on cars, no change to Chapter 19 and cultural exemptions are intact. Steel and aluminium are still be negotiated. Dairy is opening as much as it would have under TPP.

Dunno, hardly seems like a L to me.

Ready for the electoral chaos in Quebec. Gonna be a long night once the results are in.

VHS, three of the things you list are just preserving the status quo. There's something to be said for a 5 yr sunset clause tbh.

When the negotiating starting point was 'NAFTA shouldn't exist anymore' I find it's a win.

May I suggest that Canada will forever have the short hand of the stick.

Extra annoying that Trump's blustery, erratic approach to, um, making deals seems to ... work to an extent.

xp That was actually a reason why the Liberals and NDP both opposed free trade in 1988 iirc, not a position you seem to hear anything about these days.

Short hand of the stick even bigger without a deal, at least now Canada has some leverage for the next 16 years.

Like Sund4r said, seeing Orangehead's ghostwritten art of the deal tactics bear fruit just adds insult to injury.

I'm also glad Trudeau didn't drag that negotiation bullshit for his reelection's sakes. I didn't put that past him.

Voté.

Bonne chance to you Pom! (and other Quebec regulars of ILX)

Thanks, likewise. I'll no doubt be fuming from across the pond.

Well 10 minutes in and it sucks so far.

This looks shitty.

I swear we must free the metropolis from the provinces.

remember when I said Canada was degenerating?

It's same old shit as it always has been.

Like CAQ is any different than the Bouchard/Parizeau tandem.

Similarly pathetic turnout to last time it looks like

CAQ majority. For fuck's sakes.

ugh, was hoping that it least wouldn't be a majority government

me too.

At least: Good results for QS so far!!!

Like CAQ is any different than the Bouchard/Parizeau tandem.

Nonsense. On secularism/immigration, maybe - but the CAQ are center-right and (essentially) non-sovereignist.

lol Bouchard introduced hard austerity and must I have to remind Parizeau's ideas about 'the ethnic vote'. CAQ are nationalists, and sovereignists-in-the-future.

Bouchard even wrote the pamphlet Pour un quebec lucide which is kind of a CAQ modus operandi.

Weaponized fear of the muslim is the worst fuckin political tool of the past 30 years.

'Distinct society' my ass

Legault's closet dream of becoming the new Duplessis will finally become a reality.

let's not go crazy, this is bad but it's not Duplessis or Doug Ford bad

What's the Muslim pop of QC? I'm guessing around 3%?

Apparently so. Outside of Montreal, it's less than 1%. Quebecers assume it's 17%.

Of course.

I wonder how common this type of voter is:

Maybe not piss off young white men so much as a matter of course on the left? I used to vote left (QS) before I got all these white privilege checks, but now... pic.twitter.com/AE9umj0pds

— CRM-114 (@DISCRIMINATR114) October 2, 2018

Incidentally, 2/3 of Québécois Muslims are non-practising.

xp

A bit of levity: https://www.thebeaverton.com/2018/10/update-quebec-not-distinct-from-ontario-and-usa/

goddamn i just saw back to back posts from a facebook friend of mine, one celebrating the caq getting in (i'm kinda shocked he didn't seem the type) and the next saying "wtf, i make nowhere near (salary amount that is not... crazy high?) like this article says is average for my field" and i'm just sitting here like yeah hmmmmm considering you definitely started in qa at minimum wage you might be closer to that if you had, uh, started at a higher minimum wage, but cool voting for the party least likely to raise it

Watching Legault and Ford, I don't think we are immune to Maxime Bernier becoming PM, probably not in 2019 but beyond that.

All over the western world the right wing has cracked the code and Bernier is going to run on that.

Pom otm on Duplessis

CBC News
1 hr ·
Quebec premier-designate François Legault says he's ready to invoke the notwithstanding clause to ban people in authority positions from wearing religious symbols, such as the hijab.

Can't wait for Legault to cause a constitutional crisis when he deports immigrants using the notwithstanding clause.

let's not go crazy, this is bad but it's not Duplessis or Doug Ford bad

hmmm