Is that Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus or Portsmouth?
― Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link
'Twas only a few years ago I found out that many 3 or 4-way junctions here in the UK have traffic lights where you need to press the crossing button in order to activate a pedestrian crossing cycle. Before that I'd just stand there bemused as the green man remained resolutely unlit.
― GG Allin: The Musical (Matt #2), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:28 (five years ago) link
What FBPE stands for. Like a minute ago. And I almost searched for FPBE. In fact I've just had to check again whether it is FBPE or FPBE.
― Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link
Pompey is pronounced Pom-pi and not Pom-pay.
You sure about that?
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link
https://forvo.com/word/pompei/#it
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 15:49 (five years ago) link
but... Pompey though
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
Depends on the Pompey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsmouth
― Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
Oh, right. Had no idea.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/cute-small-pomeranian-dog-peeing-park-urinating-105437652.jpg
― a butt, at which the shaft of ridicule is daily glanced (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
Also, mispronounced in English...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompey
― Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link
I was all set to finally add “why Portsmouth has that inexplicably annoying nickname Pompey" to this thread and then I found out no one really knows. The first explanation here sounds totally fucking made-up though:https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-2010,00.html
― Alba, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 16:19 (five years ago) link
"Jacob" is the latin cognate of the name "James." I was trying to figure out why it was Jacobean Era, when James was the guy. I knew in Spanish it's Jaime, or Diego related to Iago? So I feel like I was so close for so long, but somehow failed thrive in onomastics.
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
That Windsor Safari Park doesn't exist any more and Legoland is in the same place.
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Friday, 2 November 2018 12:24 (five years ago) link
Beth Gibbons also worked with Paul Webb on the first O-Rang album, which came out before (or perhaps just after) Dummy.
― fetter, Friday, 2 November 2018 12:50 (five years ago) link
& O-rang were Talk Talk minus Mark Hollis or something similar.
― Stevolende, Friday, 2 November 2018 13:33 (five years ago) link
Apart from the unofficial fourth member (IE producer and co-writer) of Talk Talk, Tim Friese-Greene, who went on to record as... Heligoland!
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 2 November 2018 13:53 (five years ago) link
I'm not a car person so maybe i just never really thought about it before but... car tyres don't have inner tubes!
― Herb Achelors (NickB), Friday, 2 November 2018 14:10 (five years ago) link
The complexity of getting tubeless bike tires to work at all, and keep em orderly long term, has increased my respect immensely. To amazement really. They just basically work all the fucking time and keep going and holy fuck what a great way to wreck a planet.
― Hunt3r, Friday, 2 November 2018 14:30 (five years ago) link
xp they used to! Up until the 50s, I think.
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Friday, 2 November 2018 14:34 (five years ago) link
i'm obviously turning into more of an old-timer than i thought
xp ha hunt3r, no sealant in them either - really fucking weird imo
― Herb Achelors (NickB), Friday, 2 November 2018 14:36 (five years ago) link
Haha, this is something I struggled to wrap my head around this, coming from a family of bike enthusiasts.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 2 November 2018 15:03 (five years ago) link
I did not know that about Windsor safari park
― kinder, Friday, 2 November 2018 16:01 (five years ago) link
i jokingly refer to typical non-UST tubeless bike tires as "incredibly flat resistant. also, incredibly inflation resistant," though with a compressor, not too bad. (i've never used UST so i don't know its inflation profile).
― Hunt3r, Friday, 2 November 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link
there are people who are from a major north american city who don't know how to pronounce guillermo (as in del toro)
― F# A# (∞), Friday, 2 November 2018 17:41 (five years ago) link
THings I must have mainly heard in hindsight but have just heard over the last week what the starting points were.Hilary Clinton's 3 million majority apparently didn't emerge until the vote was fully counted a while after the election was declared. Steve Kornackie was comparing a potential outcome fo Tuesday to it. California being so close that every vote gets counted afterwards with full tally only being announced in December.
Also Colin Kaepernick first doing his protest in August 2016, way before the last election. Not sure what I was reading a few days ago that had that come out. I think I was first aware of it when trump was making a big deal of things last year.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 4 November 2018 13:11 (five years ago) link
Hispanic culture isn't equally prevalent everywhere in NA.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 4 November 2018 13:16 (five years ago) link
Not to mention pronunciation fluctuates depending on the variety of Spanish.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 4 November 2018 13:18 (five years ago) link
Not sure how/why you would pronounce it gwai-lermo, no spanish speaker pronounces it like that
― F# A# (∞), Sunday, 4 November 2018 15:31 (five years ago) link
That's generally an honest mistake but then again no one pronounces my first name properly and I don't expect them to either because we can't know everything about foreign cultures. I only take issue with those who don't give a fuck when I tell them the correct pronunciation, which doesn't happen very often. Likewise, I don't think most North Americans choose to gleefully mispronounce 'Guillermo'.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 4 November 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link
Context matters too. If you're an anglophone living in Montreal and you don't make the slightest effort to correctly pronounce francophone names, you're being a dick. Outside of French-speaking areas, though, there's no sense in getting bent out of shape over it, it's not necessarily Quebec bashing (although it can be).
― pomenitul, Sunday, 4 November 2018 15:40 (five years ago) link
Likewise, if you're not Hispanic but live next to a sizeable Hispanic community in the US and couldn't care less about how 'those people' pronounce their names, you're a piece of shit. But history isn't the same everywhere.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 4 November 2018 15:42 (five years ago) link
The only reason I (think I) know how to pronounce Gullermo correctly is because of broadcast journalists who I trust pronouncing it in reference to Del Toro.
― Alba, Sunday, 4 November 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
Yeah this is in reference to guillermo del toroI’m talking about Vancouver and right now spanish and latin american culture is blowing up hereYou hear latin music being played in a lot of restaurants, tons of latinos coming, many specifically mexican restaurants popping up and people just move mexican food here (tacos and mostly tex-mex but whatevs)this guy i was referring to is my coworker and he is obsessed with moviesHe’s a great guy but for some reason he chooses to mispronounce every single latin name, same with joaquin phoenix’s name, granted that one is a bit harderI don’t correct him but i say their names correctly and hope he is actively listening and follows throughI think i got him to say joaquin right, and he says javier bardem’s name righthe usually butchers all non english names but that gwailermo kinda shocked me though
― F# A# (∞), Sunday, 4 November 2018 15:47 (five years ago) link
Maybe he just reads about movies and watches them rather than hearing podcasts etc. Or maybe he's just a dick, I dunno.
― Alba, Sunday, 4 November 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link
Sounds like he's trying, at least (I hope). And I guess the 'w' is tempting when you're an English speaker, since Guillermo is the equivalent of William. The Argentinian pronunciation is amazing, though (Ghee-sher-mo).
xp
― pomenitul, Sunday, 4 November 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link
Mispronunciation of names of celeb-artists outside one’s personal language group is sometimes surprising, possibly annoying, and also i’d say unreliable as an indicator of personal merit, social appropriate-ness, or critical expertise. It might also say something about the unreliability of interlingual transliteration.Fwiw i go with “gee YARE mo” as an approximation, what should i do?Esperanto now.
― Hunt3r, Sunday, 4 November 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link
im thinking more to the original story- to what extent do you understand your contacts mispronunciation to be intentional? or more like, negligent?
― Hunt3r, Sunday, 4 November 2018 17:00 (five years ago) link
I've heard it three ways:
Gee-yare-mo (how my grandfather's name was pronounced)Gee-jare-mo (how it's pronounced where I live)Gee-share-mo (the aforementioned Argentinian pronunciation)
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 4 November 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
gull-erm-o
― lie back and think of englund (darraghmac), Sunday, 4 November 2018 18:14 (five years ago) link
Gee whiz
― coetzee.cx (wins), Sunday, 4 November 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
I'd always though that the phrase 'basket case' came from the idea that patients at insane asylums spent their time weaving baskets, but apparently
The term originated from WWI, indicating a soldier missing both his arms and legs, who needed to be literally carried around in a litter or "basket."
― soref, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 14:12 (five years ago) link
it's right there in the movie
― clynical repression (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 14:27 (five years ago) link
i think i had the same confusion thanks to "they're coming to take me away, ha-ha," and had it corrected by an anecdote told by a mournful ringo somewhere in the beatles anthology documentary.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 14:32 (five years ago) link
― Hunt3r, Sunday, November 4, 2018 9:00 AM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
again i don't think it's intentional -- possibly negligent/laziness
i guess my reasoning is i'm not even a native spanish speaker and i can get this silly thing right, not sure why someone who is obsessed with watching all types of movies can't get guillermo (del toro's name) right
i've never heard anyone else pronounce it gwai-lermo
aside from that, he's a cool dude
this discussion turned out to be a much bigger deal than i had meant it to be tbh
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:11 (five years ago) link
pronunciation is such a cool thing. it is a skill. it is a preference. it is a byproduct of education. it is a physiological capability. it is the result social preference. it is a pose. i'm not sure if it is inherent or intentional.
i'm sure some of those are redundant if not very overlapping. still, when observing non-standard pronunciation, it is natural to ask "what am i seeing" for sure.
― Hunt3r, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:20 (five years ago) link
― I like Poeltls (fionnland), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 23:00 (five years ago) link
wrong
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 23:04 (five years ago) link
xpThe first seems more in line with Mexican Spanish to me.
― nickn, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 23:05 (five years ago) link
it's more complex than that. argentina they pronounce "ll" as the s in measure.
then as to whether the ll is pronounced as a palatal lateral approximate or palatal approximant or affricate - i.e. the same as "Y" see here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye%C3%ADsmo
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 23:09 (five years ago) link