plz let me know when comedy segments equal 51% or more of The Tonight Show, k thx bye
(I assume it could happen when the ads reach 25 mins per hour, so maybe a year from now)
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:33 (fifteen years ago) link
6/1/09
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Every time I accidentally catch a bit of Fallon's show it seems like ?uestlove thinks he's fucking annoying too.
hahahaha YES
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:37 (fifteen years ago) link
perhaps that was bcz it was the debut and hence unrepresentative, gabbfuckface?
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:37 (fifteen years ago) link
How much of NBC's keystone late-night franchise is "comedy segments" is independent of whether Conan is a comedian, Morbius. This is basic stuff here. Dude wrote some of the funniest things ever to appear on both "The Simpsons" and SNL. Good enough for me.
― Chubby Checker Psycho (Pancakes Hackman), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:38 (fifteen years ago) link
i dunno dude, but i watched it and you didn't, so, you know, stfu. no thanks, btw.
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:39 (fifteen years ago) link
THAT WAS A DIFFERENT JOB
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:39 (fifteen years ago) link
COMEDY WRITER IS NOT COMEDIAN, EITHER
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Letterman, Stewart, O'Brien, Colbert, Ferguson...all comedians first, interviewers second. If you want to see an interviewer only, then watch Charlie Rose or Tavis Smiley.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:40 (fifteen years ago) link
TONIGHT SHOW IS NOT EVENING AT THE FUCKING IMPROV AND NEVER HAS BEEN
― Chubby Checker Psycho (Pancakes Hackman), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Stewart and Colbert spend about 6-8 minutes per show doing interviews. Not same as others. (however, Letterman has slipped from treating all interviews as a joke, which is why he used to rule)
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:42 (fifteen years ago) link
wait, really? xp
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:42 (fifteen years ago) link
really glad y'all are here to suss out the distinction between "comedian" and "interviewer" for me. really gonna impact my late night tv decisions from here on out i think.
― hugging used to mean something (call all destroyer), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Conan & Leno can never be good at those monologue zingers because they aren't constitutionally mean. Only someone with true darkness in his heart can bring it.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:52 (fifteen years ago) link
if it's not someone standing on a stage with a mic, it's not comedy, apparently
btw, If you weren't too busy teaching us about the good old days to actually know anything, morbs, you would understand that Conan has always treated interviews as fodder for comedy (including neo-sketch comedy) and it appears that he will continue to do so in the new show. you can impose a comedic agenda over a promotional agenda in a subtler fashion than dave does/did.
― Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:54 (fifteen years ago) link
I suggest you not read ?uestlove's Twitter, which is a series of posts about how he thinks everything on the show is HILARIOUS!!!
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Even though I take that at face value, who on Earth would badmouth their highly-visible job on a highly-visible medium like Twitter?
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 17:59 (fifteen years ago) link
?uestlove does always look annoyed
― let free dom ring (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 18:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Thinking back on ?uest's previous tv appearances over the years, I think that's pretty much his all-the-time face.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link
I wish they would put Andy on the couch :(
ditto: a lot of what's funny about Andy isn't that he says anything amusing, it's that every facial reaction he has, to almost anything in the universe, is lovable and hilarious -- the best possible late-night use of this guy is just to have him sitting behind the celebrity being interviewed and grinning goofily
― nabisco, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 18:29 (fifteen years ago) link
I saw the second episode last night and was trying to figure out where the heck Andy actually was. Does he really have a little podium-like thing down on the floor?
― mh, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, he's at the edge of the audience risers.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 18:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Yep, he has a podium on the side, next to the audience. Agreed with Nabisco. Put the guy on the fucking couch. Giving him an occasional 1.5 seconds worth of camera time and forcing him to butt his way into the show to make a side comment is not playing to his strengths.
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, which sort of bothers me, because isn't the whole recent tradition of having a sidekick there sort of built around people on talk shows joking with their stage managers or producers -- i.e., people whose job is supposed to involve standing there all night? Having a person just be there in a sidekick role seems a bit dumb, but I guess lots of people do it now.
― nabisco, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Um, Ed McMahon.
― mh, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 18:51 (fifteen years ago) link
just a theory, but maybe andy is there in the stuttering john position to smooth the transition for people used to the leno version.(isn't max weinberg positionally where kevin eubanks used to be also?)
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Kind of ridiculous, but maybe the decision to keep Richter on the side was some sort of concession to the balding Leno demographic? Like they thought the old folks couldn't handle having a second youngish smartass on camera all the time with Conan?
I don't know, that's stupid, but I can't think of why Richter wouldn't be back on the couch, considering that to me that seems like the golden era of Conan back in the 90s, and I most people I've ever discussed the issue with (all 3 of them) have thought the same.
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost obvs
didn't leno have an announcer standing there? perhaps there was occasional banter? i don't know, i hadn't watched it in years and years.
― Ømår Littel (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Leno's exchanges were 97% with Kevin Eubanks. Stuttering John gave the intro and then spent most of his time huddled in his little announcer pit with a cup of coffee or something, getting very little camera time or interaction. A fair treatment, as that guy is pretty useless. Not so for Andy Richter, though.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Kevin Eubanks, on the other hand, was a comedy GOLDMINE.
God Leno sucks
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link
seriously, he is the worst
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:04 (fifteen years ago) link
okay come on ppl, we've had to endure The Chevy Chase Show
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link
the worst still on the air
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, the Eubanks-led Tonight Show band was the worst ever in late night tv. And the dude himself is a stiff. Imagine how hard Jay had to look to find someone less entertaining than himself (Branford Marsalis had enough of the shit early on).
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link
That's pretty much a Leno vs Kimmel vs Daly cage match for me.
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:07 (fifteen years ago) link
eubanks was just a guffawing machine
― let free dom ring (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:08 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't know, I'd still take Kevin Eubanks over Paul Shaffer and the most dangerous band in the entire galaxy or whatever.
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:12 (fifteen years ago) link
Shaffer couldn't even come up with a good comeback to a near-comatose Joaquin Phoenix.
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:13 (fifteen years ago) link
oh see i haven't seen Kimmel or Daly (or Jimmy Fallon)
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Fallon doesn't count because tactical nukes will be obliterating his show by the end of July (if we're lucky) (sorry The Roots, RIP)
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link
fallon's sidekick is the actual worst though
― let free dom ring (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link
kimmel's show>>>>>fallon's show
like, by miles
Daly doesn't even have a typical late night set-up anymore. He's out and about with a camera man shooting segments on location. For regular interviews, he has a stage, but there's no desk anymore and, more importantly, no lame Joe Firstman-led studio band.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link
lol you watch Carson Daly
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link
it's a weird show - it's not even mildly entertaining but i don't think anyone who is working for the show even knows what the point of the program is
― let free dom ring (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link
lol Adult Swim isn't always a reliable alternative at that hour, and I've usually already watched Olbermann from the night before.
But Carson's really not that bad, honestly. He's not trying to be a "late night host" anymore with a monologue and shit. He's going out talking to musicians and street artists and authors and it's decent tv for that hour.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:21 (fifteen years ago) link
the week that fallon premiered, daly was profiling a different musician each day and like showing live footage, and then the next week he was interviewing joey fatone in studio and now he's just like filming random shit around california
― let free dom ring (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:22 (fifteen years ago) link
lol Adult Swim isn't always a reliable alternative at that hour
lol you try to watch Adult Swim after 12:30
― Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl (HI DERE), Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, I kind of love that NBC gives him $20 a week to do whatever he wants.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link