do you mind if i use you as a ref on my application for chief strategy officer of DNC?
my career - "it's going places"
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
will get the rangers vote out anyway
― lie back and think of englund (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
I find it hard to identify any clear lessons from the midterms about Democratic party direction. Some more vocally left candidates did well, some poorly. Some "moderates" did well, some poorly. Some women did well, some poorly. I dunno, do you guys come away with any strong sense of "Democrats should do X but not Y"?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link
Democrats should vocally support progressive domestic policy platforms like Medicare for All and the $15 minimum wage and legal weed and trans rights and voting rights and ending mass incarceration. If there’s an office they can’t win with this platform they should bend every available resource to redistricting fights in 2020. But like that package of stuff is basically the price of admission to get young engaged voters to give a shit about you, especially young people of color who are justifiably suspicious of the Democratic establishment. If the likes of Heidi Heitkamp and Claire McCaskill don’t think they can win with that then don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:03 (five years ago) link
I’m not going to insist that democratic candidates do the o-pen bor-ders *clap clap clapclapclap* I’ve been doing for several years but it’d be nice.
Oh also abortion on demand without apology, or step to the back.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:05 (five years ago) link
"Bipartisanship" -- the liberal word for Surrender. #BlueSludge pic.twitter.com/B2ITxWdSdv— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) November 7, 2018
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:06 (five years ago) link
Honestly I hate the word as much as anyone but that's standard issue first day conciliatory bullshit that nearly any politician would do. It's meaningless.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
I think she'll use it in January and February too.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
Yeah the Dems who lost the Senate had more to do imo with conservative Kavanaugh backlash than a referendum on any unified Dem ideology, some longshot this-is-a-movement candidates did shockingly well even in their losses (Beto, Abrams), some bright lights were running in tough places (Jess) or backwoods dirty races (Cathy was right: Ironstache got owned by his personal history in the end -- I shoulda listened).
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link
from Zack Exley, who along with Becky Bond made the Bernie machine happen:
The pundits are missing the significance of Beto and Abrams getting so close. They've pointed the way. Standing up boldly against racism and xenophobia, for progressive programs and ideas, and really good organizing. The Dem senate incumbents who lost mostly were playing Republican light. The way forward is clear.Also...I have been knocking on doors in TX and observing the incredible Beto campaign for the last several days. Thank you to everyone who made the Beto miracle come together. You created a whole new kind of campaign. With hundreds of newly minted political staff organizers, this is going to have huge repercussions for 2020 campaigns.
Also...I have been knocking on doors in TX and observing the incredible Beto campaign for the last several days. Thank you to everyone who made the Beto miracle come together. You created a whole new kind of campaign. With hundreds of newly minted political staff organizers, this is going to have huge repercussions for 2020 campaigns.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link
cruz winning by 2 percent is stunning. his first time up - when it was an open seat! - he won by sixteen. hutchison won her final contest by twenty-five. i know we sometimes get worn out on "texas is changing, it could go blue" stuff, but it's not exactly a charlie brown football story. it's legit closer each time.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
I think the general feeling I've been seeing is that the Dems need to stop going after this mythical white women vote when it's becoming increasingly clear that half will do anything to uphold white supremacy and their place in the patriarchy. They have to put more of their resources/ unfailingly progressive platform towards black people who've been with them all along and possibly try to overcome the Latinx catholic/machismo upbringing that makes a large enough percentage vote R.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:33 (five years ago) link
converting voters is a fool's game. getting new voters into the voting pool is how you transform the electorate and win elections, and that is hard work.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:35 (five years ago) link
not if you restore felon voting rights!
― sleeve, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link
New voters also are also energized by the candidates strongly embracing racism and Trump. Those were the Reps that won.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link
But that has been a huge ongoing problem with the Dem party, that they have historically ignored the base that has always supported them.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:38 (five years ago) link
what was Ironstache's "personal stuff"? I missed that entirely.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:38 (five years ago) link
― sleeve, Wednesday, November 7, 2018 11:36 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
p. sure this was hard work, hats off to every single person who worked on this campaign or is working on similar ones elsewhere.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link
yeah I was being flippant, but it's a lot of bang for the buck afaict
― sleeve, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link
DWI, failing to pay child support
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link
ah
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:47 (five years ago) link
Those are both extremely gross
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
failing to pay child support is often an issue of simply not having money, it's not always as gross as it sounds. DWI is not good.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
I was gonna say, need more info to know how bad.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
Yeah his ex-wife was on the record as saying he'd fallen on hard times and was a great father &c
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, November 7, 2018 10:56 AM (fifty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
clearly the democrats should do what I personally have been arguing for on this board for two years, which I will now describe again
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link
Ok child support issue I will withhold judgment on. DWI is inexcusable.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link
not actually disqualifying from elected office but like I won’t weep for him.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link
What gets me is that there must be some people who saw the Florida ballot and thought "Yes, felon voter rights are important, I am totally happy with the obvious result of this, which is enfranchisement of a large population of black men. That is some good work, I can go home - ah no wait, I nearly forgot to vote for that racist cumstain."
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 17:08 (five years ago) link
Just off the phone with @BernieSanders, who says re 2020 prez run that he's "talking to a whole lot of people" about "which candidate would do best in the battleground states." Encouraged by yesterday, saying path to 270 electoral votes is clear.— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) November 7, 2018
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:26 (five years ago) link
ah, shit
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link
* andre 3000 voice * don't do it, reconisder
too old
― sleeve, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link
my greatest fear is that it will be 2016 all over again, literally Clinton vs. Sanders
― sleeve, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:28 (five years ago) link
even if they both declared (which I very much doubt!) Clinton won't have cleared away the field this time
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
tbh I'm increasingly OK with the idea of Sanders running with a younger, hipper running mate to step in in case of infirmity, but only because the other non-Gillibrand options are looking dimmer by the day
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link
it's too early to be negative about Harris, her trial balloons about tax credits are just trial balloons after all. We'll see what she says when she declares.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link
I feel like it's weird to think this is weird
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link
tbh I'm increasingly OK with the idea of Sanders running with a younger, hipper running mate to step in in case of infirmity
i guess you're increasingly ok with this but i'm not
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link
my main criterion for primary voting is what Canadian podcasters are ok with
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:37 (five years ago) link
Unless sanders takes a dive cognitively I see no reason why he couldn’t run; that said there are other people. I’m down for Harris, certainly.
― akm, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:56 (five years ago) link
hey if there's another candidate who's expressed a desire to build a robust international left to combat incipient fascism abroad I'm all for 'em
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:58 (five years ago) link
stalin
― unproven (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:59 (five years ago) link
he is dead dmac
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 22:02 (five years ago) link
no barrier to election in states iirc
― unproven (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link
he lives on in the hearts of the proletariat iirc xp
― i want donald duck to scream into my dick (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 22:06 (five years ago) link
lmao
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 22:06 (five years ago) link
footage of Antonio Delgado victory speechhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk8LoHqHkGI
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 22:38 (five years ago) link
The really boring thing: Dems won Governor races in all the midwestern states that flipped the election to Trump, and if they can win there again in 2020 he's gone, no need for the re-enfranchised voters in Florida to change things, or for Georgia or Texas or Arizona or any of the other states that are always just on the cusp of going blue. But the winners in those governor races were absolutely boring and bland: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-bland-scott-walker-troy-evers-governor_us_5bd74093e4b0a8f17efab16c?guccounter=1 And it worked... It worked more emphatically than pretty much any other strategy the Dems have tried.
So... Amy Klobuchar in 2020?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:02 (five years ago) link
the (former) KGB tore England from the EU . . . will they tear the Confederacy from the USA?
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:04 (five years ago) link