ah
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:47 (five years ago) link
Those are both extremely gross
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
failing to pay child support is often an issue of simply not having money, it's not always as gross as it sounds. DWI is not good.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
I was gonna say, need more info to know how bad.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
Yeah his ex-wife was on the record as saying he'd fallen on hard times and was a great father &c
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
I find it hard to identify any clear lessons from the midterms about Democratic party direction. Some more vocally left candidates did well, some poorly. Some "moderates" did well, some poorly. Some women did well, some poorly. I dunno, do you guys come away with any strong sense of "Democrats should do X but not Y"?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, November 7, 2018 10:56 AM (fifty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
clearly the democrats should do what I personally have been arguing for on this board for two years, which I will now describe again
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link
Ok child support issue I will withhold judgment on. DWI is inexcusable.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link
not actually disqualifying from elected office but like I won’t weep for him.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link
What gets me is that there must be some people who saw the Florida ballot and thought "Yes, felon voter rights are important, I am totally happy with the obvious result of this, which is enfranchisement of a large population of black men. That is some good work, I can go home - ah no wait, I nearly forgot to vote for that racist cumstain."
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 17:08 (five years ago) link
Just off the phone with @BernieSanders, who says re 2020 prez run that he's "talking to a whole lot of people" about "which candidate would do best in the battleground states." Encouraged by yesterday, saying path to 270 electoral votes is clear.— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) November 7, 2018
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:26 (five years ago) link
ah, shit
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link
* andre 3000 voice * don't do it, reconisder
too old
― sleeve, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link
my greatest fear is that it will be 2016 all over again, literally Clinton vs. Sanders
― sleeve, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:28 (five years ago) link
even if they both declared (which I very much doubt!) Clinton won't have cleared away the field this time
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
tbh I'm increasingly OK with the idea of Sanders running with a younger, hipper running mate to step in in case of infirmity, but only because the other non-Gillibrand options are looking dimmer by the day
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link
it's too early to be negative about Harris, her trial balloons about tax credits are just trial balloons after all. We'll see what she says when she declares.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link
I feel like it's weird to think this is weird
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link
tbh I'm increasingly OK with the idea of Sanders running with a younger, hipper running mate to step in in case of infirmity
i guess you're increasingly ok with this but i'm not
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link
my main criterion for primary voting is what Canadian podcasters are ok with
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:37 (five years ago) link
Unless sanders takes a dive cognitively I see no reason why he couldn’t run; that said there are other people. I’m down for Harris, certainly.
― akm, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:56 (five years ago) link
hey if there's another candidate who's expressed a desire to build a robust international left to combat incipient fascism abroad I'm all for 'em
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:58 (five years ago) link
stalin
― unproven (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 21:59 (five years ago) link
he is dead dmac
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 22:02 (five years ago) link
no barrier to election in states iirc
― unproven (darraghmac), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link
he lives on in the hearts of the proletariat iirc xp
― i want donald duck to scream into my dick (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 22:06 (five years ago) link
lmao
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 22:06 (five years ago) link
footage of Antonio Delgado victory speechhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk8LoHqHkGI
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 22:38 (five years ago) link
The really boring thing: Dems won Governor races in all the midwestern states that flipped the election to Trump, and if they can win there again in 2020 he's gone, no need for the re-enfranchised voters in Florida to change things, or for Georgia or Texas or Arizona or any of the other states that are always just on the cusp of going blue. But the winners in those governor races were absolutely boring and bland: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-bland-scott-walker-troy-evers-governor_us_5bd74093e4b0a8f17efab16c?guccounter=1 And it worked... It worked more emphatically than pretty much any other strategy the Dems have tried.
So... Amy Klobuchar in 2020?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:02 (five years ago) link
the (former) KGB tore England from the EU . . . will they tear the Confederacy from the USA?
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:04 (five years ago) link
the official line on that is that that's not allowed and never was
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:05 (five years ago) link
we should have treated the South the way Rome did Carthage. oh well
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:07 (five years ago) link
well we did burn Atlanta to the ground tbf
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:09 (five years ago) link
beto/bernie 2020
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:32 (five years ago) link
Bernie at the top of the ticket is pretty stupid imo but this is why we have primaries. He won't have a unified anti-Clinton wing of the party behind him.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:34 (five years ago) link
I have a hard time imagining him as a running mate but stranger things have happened
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:58 (five years ago) link
Gillibrand is dull.I thought the theory was that Clinton wasn’t minority/young/interesting enough for those states and hence didn’t pull young and minority voters. Maybe that was wrong. Maybe it’s both things. Dunno.
― akm, Thursday, 8 November 2018 00:43 (five years ago) link
I'm increasingly OK with the idea of Sanders running with a younger, hipper running mate
Joe Biden's ears perk up...
― Glasnostradamus (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 8 November 2018 01:23 (five years ago) link
No. Fucking. Shit. https://t.co/zawywujRpe— Surefire Director Of Diversity And Inclusion (@agraybee) November 8, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 8 November 2018 02:09 (five years ago) link
Lol YMP
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 November 2018 02:09 (five years ago) link
oh ffs BERNIE YOU FUCKING DUMBASS
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link
Democratic officials woke Wednesday morning searching for answers as to why the party was unable to win several marquee Senate and gubernatorial races the night before.But for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) the explanation was simple. The candidates who underperformed weren’t progressive enough; those who didn’t shy away from progressivism were undone, in part, by “racist” attacks.“I think you know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American,” Sanders told The Daily Beast, referencing the close contests involving Andrew Gillum in Florida and Stacey Abrams in Georgia and that ads run against the two. “I think next time around, by the way, it will be a lot easier for them to do that.”
But for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) the explanation was simple. The candidates who underperformed weren’t progressive enough; those who didn’t shy away from progressivism were undone, in part, by “racist” attacks.
“I think you know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American,” Sanders told The Daily Beast, referencing the close contests involving Andrew Gillum in Florida and Stacey Abrams in Georgia and that ads run against the two. “I think next time around, by the way, it will be a lot easier for them to do that.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-on-andrew-gillium-and-stacey-abrams-many-whites-uncomfortable-voting-for-black-candidates
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link
there's discussion going on in the main thread abt that quote
― sleeve, Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link
Gillibrand is dull.
did you see her on the senate floor the week of the kavanaugh hearings? she's not remotely dull imo
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
durr, I see that now. anyway I sort of get what he's trying for in various parts of that article but the analysis is very bad, esp when the votes aren't even done being counted in one or two of those races iirc
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:30 (five years ago) link
Apparently all of Al Franken’s relatives who vote in New York wrote him in on Gillibrand’s Senate race ballot.
― suzy, Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
Wow I’m sure that made them feel very good about themselves
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:36 (five years ago) link
They’re still really angry about what happened, obvs. It’s possible to be disappointed in him (I was) and fucked off with how he was treated, particularly in our post-Kavanaugh situation.
― suzy, Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:46 (five years ago) link
bernie, stop, do not
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link
very very bad
I feel it worth noting that literally all the commies I know (of various stripes) are hateposting that quote today
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link