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he lives on in the hearts of the proletariat iirc xp

i want donald duck to scream into my dick (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 22:06 (five years ago) link

lmao

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 22:06 (five years ago) link

footage of Antonio Delgado victory speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk8LoHqHkGI

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 22:38 (five years ago) link

The really boring thing: Dems won Governor races in all the midwestern states that flipped the election to Trump, and if they can win there again in 2020 he's gone, no need for the re-enfranchised voters in Florida to change things, or for Georgia or Texas or Arizona or any of the other states that are always just on the cusp of going blue. But the winners in those governor races were absolutely boring and bland: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-bland-scott-walker-troy-evers-governor_us_5bd74093e4b0a8f17efab16c?guccounter=1 And it worked... It worked more emphatically than pretty much any other strategy the Dems have tried.

So... Amy Klobuchar in 2020?

Frederik B, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:02 (five years ago) link

the (former) KGB tore England from the EU . . . will they tear the Confederacy from the USA?

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:04 (five years ago) link

the official line on that is that that's not allowed and never was

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:05 (five years ago) link

we should have treated the South the way Rome did Carthage. oh well

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:07 (five years ago) link

well we did burn Atlanta to the ground tbf

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:09 (five years ago) link

beto/bernie 2020

k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:32 (five years ago) link

Bernie at the top of the ticket is pretty stupid imo but this is why we have primaries. He won't have a unified anti-Clinton wing of the party behind him.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:34 (five years ago) link

I have a hard time imagining him as a running mate but stranger things have happened

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 November 2018 23:58 (five years ago) link

Gillibrand is dull.

I thought the theory was that Clinton wasn’t minority/young/interesting enough for those states and hence didn’t pull young and minority voters. Maybe that was wrong. Maybe it’s both things. Dunno.

akm, Thursday, 8 November 2018 00:43 (five years ago) link

I'm increasingly OK with the idea of Sanders running with a younger, hipper running mate

Joe Biden's ears perk up...

Glasnostradamus (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 8 November 2018 01:23 (five years ago) link

No.

Fucking.

Shit. https://t.co/zawywujRpe

— Surefire Director Of Diversity And Inclusion (@agraybee) November 8, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 8 November 2018 02:09 (five years ago) link

Lol YMP

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 November 2018 02:09 (five years ago) link

oh ffs BERNIE YOU FUCKING DUMBASS

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link

Democratic officials woke Wednesday morning searching for answers as to why the party was unable to win several marquee Senate and gubernatorial races the night before.

But for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) the explanation was simple. The candidates who underperformed weren’t progressive enough; those who didn’t shy away from progressivism were undone, in part, by “racist” attacks.

“I think you know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American,” Sanders told The Daily Beast, referencing the close contests involving Andrew Gillum in Florida and Stacey Abrams in Georgia and that ads run against the two. “I think next time around, by the way, it will be a lot easier for them to do that.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-on-andrew-gillium-and-stacey-abrams-many-whites-uncomfortable-voting-for-black-candidates

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link

there's discussion going on in the main thread abt that quote

sleeve, Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link

Gillibrand is dull.

did you see her on the senate floor the week of the kavanaugh hearings? she's not remotely dull imo

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link

there's discussion going on in the main thread abt that quote

durr, I see that now. anyway I sort of get what he's trying for in various parts of that article but the analysis is very bad, esp when the votes aren't even done being counted in one or two of those races iirc

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:30 (five years ago) link

Apparently all of Al Franken’s relatives who vote in New York wrote him in on Gillibrand’s Senate race ballot.

suzy, Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link

Wow I’m sure that made them feel very good about themselves

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:36 (five years ago) link

They’re still really angry about what happened, obvs. It’s possible to be disappointed in him (I was) and fucked off with how he was treated, particularly in our post-Kavanaugh situation.

suzy, Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:46 (five years ago) link

bernie, stop, do not

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link

very very bad

I feel it worth noting that literally all the commies I know (of various stripes) are hateposting that quote today

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link

this is considerably better but doesn't erase the stupidity of the original quotes

Let me be absolutely clear: Donald Trump, Brian Kemp and Ron DeSantis ran racist campaigns. pic.twitter.com/QwZtCe4xh3

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) November 8, 2018

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 November 2018 18:59 (five years ago) link

Schleifer, of the Fairness Project, said his group plans to keep pushing ballot initiatives such as Medicaid expansion and a higher minimum wage in other parts of the country going forward, no matter their political leanings.

“People in other states are watching what’s happening,” he said. “I think we’re going to see a lot more of this activity in 2020.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/from-medicaid-to-minimum-wage-even-red-state-voters-backed-progressive-measures/2018/11/07/b0b61572-e2bc-11e8-ab2c-b31dcd53ca6b_story.html?utm_term=.636cb6c7148d

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 8 November 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link

What Bernie described as "not racist" is definitionally racist. SMH. Hope he just apologizes.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 8 November 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link

I tend to avoid politicians and people who use "absolutely," even when they're clear.

I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 November 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link

make no mistake

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 November 2018 19:28 (five years ago) link

let me be clear

21st savagery fox (m bison), Thursday, 8 November 2018 19:29 (five years ago) link

feel like this thread is ripe for revival these days

Phrases I Never Want to Hear Uttered by Talking Heads/Press/Politicians Ever Again

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 November 2018 19:29 (five years ago) link

let me make a mistake

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 November 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link

make no mistake mistakes were made

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 November 2018 19:44 (five years ago) link

bernie quote is dumb, but whatever. he is, however misguidedly, trying to lay blame on the campaigns instead of the voters

k3vin k., Thursday, 8 November 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link

i mean is it crazy that i think he was trying and failing to recognize that white people have ingrained antiblack biases without making those same white people recoil from the label of racist

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 8 November 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link

and obviously the latter is a problem, i'm not defending it, i just * think * i see where the language he was using is orthogonal to the actually correct thing, like a misremembered scripted line

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 8 November 2018 20:44 (five years ago) link

otm, I recognized what he was going for but the execution was so off, way moreso than I can recall him being in quite a while, and at like the least opportune moment

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 November 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link

another note from colleagues:

https://ips-dc.org/we-have-movement-work-to-do/

We must recognize the sober reality that the president and too many others campaigned on hate—on racism and Islamophobia, on hating immigrants and “the other”—and that in many places it worked. In Texas 59% of white women voted for Ted Cruz against Beto O’Rourke, despite all his policies that will hurt women and children. Racism and division are not anomalies in our country, they are part of the basis on which this country was founded. We have movement work to do.

The most important defeat of the 2018 midterm elections was the fact that 51% of the voting public still did not vote. With all the anger, all the outrage, all the marches and mobilizations, more than half didn’t show up. Certainly many faced structural or institutional problems—for some, the poll lines were too long (by design, as happened in Georgia) and, being low-wage workers with no paid leave, they had to report to work and couldn’t wait that long. Naturalized immigrants in border communities may have been terrified to vote. Others, poor and elderly or disabled, couldn’t get to the polls because they can’t drive/can’t afford a car, and there’s no public transit where they live. We have movement work to do to change that.

But millions more who could have voted stayed home. What if they had gone to the polls instead? What if Democrats had reclaimed the Senate as well as the House? It wouldn’t have meant the end of systemic racism and misogyny, environmental degradation and corporate overlordism, Islamophobia or anti-immigrant laws. Not to speak of endless wars and an out-of-control military budget—plenty of Democrats are longstanding supporters there.

But if more registered voters—more young people, more people of color, more poor people, more women, more immigrants and students and workers and activists—had voted, things might be just a bit better. That’s our real challenge. Not to get caught up in the negatives, the limitations of elections which are always—always—about how we engage with power, not victories in and of themselves. And certainly not to just go chill, not to think the fight is over because we won a few things. The challenge is to mobilize now, harder than ever. Not just about voting, though voting remains a key right we need to continue to fight for. But to mobilize, to organize, to build the movements and the organizations we’re going to need to fight for power. We have a long way to go – last night was only the latest of our beginnings. We have movement work to do.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 8 November 2018 20:53 (five years ago) link

LOL

@ztsamudzi
5h5 hours ago

“... not necessarily racist...” “...felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American...”

Bernie Sanders speaks about black people like he’s from a state that’s 1% black and so can literally avoid it if he wants

Yerac, Thursday, 8 November 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link

that's good

I feel like ppl need to constantly be reminded that engaging in politics is a literally never-ending struggle. An electoral defeat is not the end of anything, and that goes the same for electoral victories.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 November 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link

um xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 November 2018 21:06 (five years ago) link

good new tactical campaigning report from M+R. this lightbulb jumped out at me.

We ran two digital recruitment programs for different organizations, using different content and messaging, both primarily targeting voters of color. In one, 25% of potential voters we found were unlisted or mislisted. In the other, it was 33%.

Traditional targeting doesn’t reach these voters—ad platforms likely match only 45-60% of a given segment of the voter file (fewer as you go for more infrequent voters). And that doesn’t count the additional 25%-33% who aren’t on the file in the first place. That means you’re leaving out a majority of your target audience if you’re only matching to the voter file.

So, instead of relying on traditional electoral targeting strategies, we tested various lookalike and modeled audiences, overlaid with key modeled zip codes, to identify, recruit, and turn out unlisted/mislisted and infrequent voters—reaching people the voter file can’t reach (and that most campaigns don’t even try).

We also found something that disproved countless skeptical consultants: unlisted, mislisted, and infrequent voters are NOT disengaged. Turns out these voters respond to text messages at rates higher than frequent voters: in one program, they made up 52% of recruits but drove 70% of our actions. In another analysis, unreachable and unscored voters drove more SMS responses than listed and scored voters!

We’ll see how the actual returns shake out, but bottom line: Many campaigns are writing off an active and engaged swath of the electorate who are disproportionately Black and Latinx, fueling a cycle of non-contact and—surprise!—non-voting. Institutional racism in the flesh.

You can’t simply show up at election time and ask for their vote. Instead, start with long-lead organizing around issues that matter in their daily lives. Opt them into ongoing SMS streams to organize them, turn them into volunteers, and get them to the polls. After the election, instead of being left with nothing, you’re left with real relationships—ones you can use to organize at scale and build real long-term power.

https://www.mrss.com/lab/three-insights-from-2018-that-are-changing-our-plans-for-2020-and-might-change-yours-too/

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 8 November 2018 21:11 (five years ago) link

can we pls lob those quotes at all the "let's scold non-voters till they change their ways, it's bound to work this time" crowd

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 November 2018 21:13 (five years ago) link

for real. engagement on their terms is the key

HOOS yr a hero btw

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 November 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link

i mean is it crazy that i think he was trying and failing to recognize that white people have ingrained antiblack biases without making those same white people recoil from the label of racist

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, 8. november 2018 21:43 (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and obviously the latter is a problem, i'm not defending it, i just * think * i see where the language he was using is orthogonal to the actually correct thing, like a misremembered scripted line

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, 8. november 2018 21:44 (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Can you elaborate on this? I can't square the two posts, like what is even close to being 'correct' about refusing to label people with ingrained antiblack bias as 'racists'?

Frederik B, Thursday, 8 November 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link

I wasn't sufficiently clear I think -- what I'm saying is the 'correct' part there, whic his post-16 new hires have helped him learn to articulate, is 'white people have ingrained antiblack bias.' the totally botched and maybe hopelessly revealing in terms of his capacity for getting these things right is his insistence on not hurting these ostensible listeners feelings by insisting 'BUT they're not racists'

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 8 November 2018 21:39 (five years ago) link

I;'m glad I wasn't imagining that he "got better" (read: hired smart and plugged-in staffers to help out w/ messaging) since '16

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 November 2018 21:40 (five years ago) link

one word could have made a big difference - ie "not necessarily consciously racist"

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 8 November 2018 22:17 (five years ago) link

Or just not including it at all: “I think you know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American,”

Frederik B, Thursday, 8 November 2018 22:19 (five years ago) link


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