Heard a politician refer to the legislature in Illinois now as a super-supermajority.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 November 2018 15:25 (five years ago) link
Does this matter a lot with a Democratic governor?โ Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, November 9, 2018 10:05 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
โ Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, November 9, 2018 10:05 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes. certain kinds of legislation (mostly money-raising stuff, i think?) requires 2/3 majorities (in both houses?) to pass.
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Friday, 9 November 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
ohhhhh, OK
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 9 November 2018 16:18 (five years ago) link
(mostly money-raising stuff, i think?)
Two-thirds is required for any tax-related stuff.
― Captain Hardchord (Leee), Friday, 9 November 2018 19:00 (five years ago) link
also Ammar Campa-Najjar still wouldn't have won if he'd become a horse and changed his name to Bill Stevens, so deep is the backcountry chaparral love for vaping veteransโ del griffith, Thursday, November 8, 2018 3:29 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
โ del griffith, Thursday, November 8, 2018 3:29 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wtf thats my name, dude. :o
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 9 November 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
How do you Angelenos like Garcetti?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0JNZhm3NNo
― Captain Hardchord (Leee), Friday, 9 November 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link
He didn't correct the "breakdancing" bit (he's popping), so I am already wary.
― Captain Hardchord (Leee), Friday, 9 November 2018 20:09 (five years ago) link
He sang the shit out of the national anthem at a roller derby event I went to when he was a city councilman but he kinda sucks. Heโs ambitious as hell kinda like newsom.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 9 November 2018 21:01 (five years ago) link
Heโs also less of a crowd pleasing blank slate than newsom. He has (bad) opinions. He will get nowhere if he runs in 2020.
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Friday, 9 November 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link
the mayor of LA hardly does anything. the city council has all the power. hes a glorified cheerleader. all he accomplished was bagging the olympics that nobody really wants and is gonna fuck up the city.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 9 November 2018 21:37 (five years ago) link
he was in training for the job at 18 and presumably before that but hey I for one like him
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 10 November 2018 04:04 (five years ago) link
I look forward to voting for him when he runs for governor
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 10 November 2018 04:07 (five years ago) link
insanely close race (0.1% lead) but the public school guy just pulled ahead of the charter school guy in SPI
#.SPI Update pic.twitter.com/7brkOKjOyF— CATargetBot (@CATargetBot) November 13, 2018
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 03:32 (five years ago) link
Oh hell yes! Go Tony!!
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 03:35 (five years ago) link
Feel like both of those guys have their merits but are both pretty flawed too...
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 04:23 (five years ago) link
That's kinda like saying Obama and Hitler are both pretty flawed
― sarahell, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 07:34 (five years ago) link
lol, you sound rational.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link
Charter schools are basically a scheme to allow speculators to harvest wealth from state and local taxes with education of children as an incidental side effect.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link
Universal free primary+secondary education is one of America's two good ideas and charter schools are a perversion
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
They're basically on the same page, hardline Dems who come from the non-profit education sector :
* Both Thurmond & Tuck are anti-FOR-PROFIT charter schools.* Both want to shut down charter schools that are failing & mishandling public funds.* Both are self-proclaimed neutral on whether they are pro- or anti- Charter Schools.* Both had ugly, untrue campaigns of deception trying to slander the other candidate.
Their only significant difference is on local districts' ability to appeal charter schools approval (Thurmond anti-, Tuck pro-*)... *only in rural areas of California.
My main beef with Thurmond is he lacked the spine to vote on AB1220**, something that would help define his stance in the race but instead showed him to be prone to petty political power moves.
**http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB1220
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link
I need to dig into this so thank you, but โnon profitโ education seems like very careful branding.
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link
โ I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, November 13, 2018 9:52 AM (three hours ago
yes, and, to do so while fostering increasing inequity/inequality of opportunity for the children being educated. It's a real, serious problem in urban areas with a lot of poverty and income inequality
― sarahell, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:23 (five years ago) link
โ ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Tuesday, November 13, 2018 11:07 AM (two hours ago)
yeah, it pretty much is saying, I am fine with charter schools except for the ones that are too incompetent and stupid to fill out the right forms and check the right boxes so that they actually get denied tax-exempt status.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link
yo bryce, if you are reading this thread, post about this, because it's something you actually deal with irl, and we're just being typical ilxors who are having opinions about things
― sarahell, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 21:33 (five years ago) link
the problem we have with charters in oakland is that they don't enroll kids with special needs at the rate the district schools do, which leaves the district with higher costs even while they drain its coffers (up to $57M/year lost in oakland). there is little evidence that charters outperform public schools in general, and many locally have serious corruption problems. it's absurd that, per state law, the financial costs of charters can't be considered when deliberating their approval. i understand that thurmond at least backed a temporary halt to charter approvals so the state could properly assess their costs, while tuck did not.
i send my daughter to a public school here, but dealing with ousd administration is an exercise in futility. administrators regularly lie to parents with impunity, and our board member is disengaged with the community. i totally understand why parents would seek other options. that said, the teachers and principals we've dealt with have been fantastic. i agree with silby upthread. we need to properly restore funding to our public schools at all levels.
― wmlynch, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:35 (five years ago) link
the nearest charter school to us shut two weeks into the school year.
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:58 (five years ago) link
Uh, so the Democrat who's probably about to win a usually-Republican seat on the California Board of Equalization is a disbarred lawyer and perennial candidate who was previously ordered to stay at least 100 feet away from comedian Brad Garrett. https://t.co/MkrlixLfqF https://t.co/RBGhb1sZ8A— Josh Barro (@jbarro) November 13, 2018
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 00:08 (five years ago) link
Meanwhile
In the race for Superintendent of Public Instruction, @TonyThurmond opens up a 67,161 vote lead over @MarshallTuck. The two candidates were two hundredths of a percent apart at the last update. https://t.co/qlv13fzE56— Rob Pyers (@rpyers) November 14, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 01:55 (five years ago) link
BREAKING: Democrat Josh Harder wins U.S. House seat in California farm belt, defeats 4-term Republican Rep. Jeff Denham. https://t.co/YfFnH2YEJH— The Associated Press (@AP) November 14, 2018
― Dan S, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 05:53 (five years ago) link
sweet! I donated. time to open the ILX influence-peddling thread.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 06:27 (five years ago) link
shakey your thoughts please http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-pge-paradise-fire-destruction-20181114-story.html
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:10 (five years ago) link
PG&E's fire liabilities are going to continue to go through the roof because this kind of thing is likely to keep happening every year. Why? Because maintaining their extensive network of capital assets (the only thing keeping the company afloat, at this point) is way less profitable, more expensive, more time consuming and more dangerous then building new capital assets. Combine that with perpetually dangerous conditions and its likely PG&E will cause more fires as time goes on.
They were just bailed out by the legislature in the previous session over exactly the same issue - if they were held liable for the Carr fire (or was it the Tubbs fire? I forget) they would have been bankrupted and then who knows what would happen. The state would take over, I guess? Frankly as much as I hate PG&E I don't see the state taking any better care of gas lines and electrical lines than PG&E does. Although at least the state wouldn't have a profit motive to *not* take care of their shit.
So - either the legislature bails them out again and holds them non-liable for this kind of thing, or PG&E's finances are going to look increasingly grim until they finally death-spiral out. They have a lot of other pressures on them at the moment - declining customer base/competition from distributed energy resources, competition from CCAs taking their customers (I just signed over to SF's Cleanopower SF), a state mandate to basically not sell gas anymore by 2050, etc.
I have no idea what's going to happen. Maybe they'll go bankrupt and get broken up and taken over by CCAs or POUs (perhaps the ideal situation tbh)
― ฮแฝฯฮนฯ, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:17 (five years ago) link
obviously the more people that die the worse it's going to get for the company, all of their money will be tied up in lawsuits and insurance claims and liabilities and their profits will tank
― ฮแฝฯฮนฯ, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:20 (five years ago) link
interesting, thanking you
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:48 (five years ago) link
idk if my point was clear about their capital assets, what I was trying to get at is it costs them a lot of money to ensure that all of their existing assets are working safely and properly. Their network is *gigantic* and old and there are all kinds of property/jurisdiction issues involved, it's hard to get qualified crews out to remote areas, etc. None of that stuff turns them a profit.
But if they put in a new substation, or build a bunch of electrical infrastructure to service electric vehicle charging stations, for example - *those* assets go on their books as profitable (because they contribute to increase in generating capacity/serving more customers, which = revenue).
So they have a financial incentive to build stuff, but a financial disincentive to maintain it to ensure that it doesn't blow up houses/burn down entire towns/kill people.
Cool financial model they have there, thx capitalism etc.
― ฮแฝฯฮนฯ, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:55 (five years ago) link
obviously the more people that die the worse it's going to get for the company, all of their money will be tied up in lawsuits and insurance claims and liabilities and their profits will tankโ ฮแฝฯฮนฯ, Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:20 PM (one hour ago)
โ ฮแฝฯฮนฯ, Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:20 PM (one hour ago)
Their collapse may precede any financial reporting... 50% loss in 5 days. Massive sell-offs. https://i.imgur.com/U1U8abt.png
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link
also, w/r/t tuck vs. thurmond upthread, it sounds like all of us (candidates included) are on the same page w/r/t underperforming charter schools in urban areas.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 23:27 (five years ago) link
well personally the page i'm on right now (as an immigrant trying to figure the situation out over the next few years, and admittedly not in full possession of the facts) is that the only schools that receive public money should be public schools, and there shouldn't be any charter schools. but yeah, start with the underperforming ones.
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 23:31 (five years ago) link
9120 votes have been added in CA 39 in OC/SB, republican Young Kim now only ahead over Gil Cisneros by 122 votes, down from 590 votes. still many votes to be counted as far as I can tell
― Dan S, Thursday, 15 November 2018 02:21 (five years ago) link
sigh
charter and public are not mutually exclusive categories
some of californiaโs public charters are among the most progressive schools in the nation
i have worked at three of them. one of which you could fairly call an underperforming urban charter
― the late great, Thursday, 15 November 2018 02:33 (five years ago) link
and one of which is the top performing urban school on the state so
in, not on
iโm going to preemptively excuse myself from this conversation though, i can already feel myself getting irked by the presence of strong opinions absent strong background knowledge of the topic
(voted for tony k thurmond btw because my teachers union said so)
― the late great, Thursday, 15 November 2018 02:36 (five years ago) link
iโm sorry to be snippy, obviously i take broad criticism of โcharter schoolsโ much too personally
but iโm just curious like whatโs the alternative model to charters that you would follow in order to offer a performing arts school or a project based school or a college prep academy or a hybrid homeschool etc etc and how would you avoid the flaws in that model?
― the late great, Thursday, 15 November 2018 03:00 (five years ago) link
like thatโs a question that iโve spent literally months if not years of my life workshopping and believe me there are a lot of dimensions to that question
i guess you could say like thurmond and tuck iโve come out neutral on the issue, or, better yet, agnostic on it
i donโt want to be uh pedantic about it though
― the late great, Thursday, 15 November 2018 03:08 (five years ago) link
Plenty of public high schools that are not charter schools in America offering alternative programs
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 15 November 2018 03:11 (five years ago) link
tell me about them. where are they? how are they administered? equitably, i hope
― the late great, Thursday, 15 November 2018 03:13 (five years ago) link
tell me about one
My elementary and middle schools offered Spanish partial immersion. My high school was a science and technology magnet. I had friends who attended an alternative progressive-education-based middle and high school program in my county. All were public, non-charter schools
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 15 November 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link
Spanish immersion I believe was open enrollment. My high school was competitive. The alternative program was by lottery.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 15 November 2018 03:16 (five years ago) link
where did the money come from? how big was the district?
― the late great, Thursday, 15 November 2018 03:18 (five years ago) link