Democratic (Party) Direction

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No he lost by 20 points iirc

Lost by 12 in a pretty GOP district; was looking good in polls in the summer by October he was pretty clearly behind.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 12 November 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link

Cool about Sean Casten.

I volunteered in 2016 for Martin O'Malley, not because I believed he had a good chance, but because he was the candidate who cared most about the issue, and it gave me an opportunity to talk about climate change to other voters.

Anthropogenic climate change has a long duration, between 5 and 160 thousand years in the literature. 5 thousand years ago, Egyptian pyramids were still in construction. If you live in a coastal city, in 5 thousand years the sea will be 170-180 feet over your head, and every physical object you ever cared about will be slowly buried in silt.

We know the effects on crop yields. Its -10%/° C for the first few degrees, and more for heating beyond ~3° C. Just multiply crop yield losses by the expected duration of climate change. Its staggering. In our lifetimes, humanity will emit enough greenhouse gasses to prevent the existence of tens of billions of humans. In their future, maybe they'll match population to resources with mandatory sterilization, or just abandon infants, as was the norm for many societies before modern chemistry aided agriculture. Every so called pro-Life voter is either a climate change hawk, ignorant, or a hypocrite.

For those of us who strive to be ethical, climate change shifts all markers. Just living as a first world person, now, means that several people will never live over the next several centuries. I can't justify plane flights to see the last coral reefs, because the plane flight emissions cause more harm than my tourist dollars can rectify.

So, I will always work for and vote for the candidate with the strongest climate change game. Even if they're flawed in other respects, as whatever other issue you may care about is pretty trivial in comparison.

Sanpaku, Monday, 12 November 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link

can't wait to vote for the Dem who primises to kickstart radically reorienting the global economy to serve the needs of the species and planet instead of accumulating capital for a walled elite!!

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:41 (five years ago) link

that voting rights package is dope and exactly the kind of big obvious must-happen shit i want to see actually get enacted when they finally get the power to do so. going ahead and putting it on the table now is really encouraging. needs a little tightening up (some pieces, esp. overturning citizens united, sound like they need to be constitutional amendments)... and maybe some additions, to try and deal with some of the vulnerabilities of electronic voting, and definitely to make election day a holiday (even if it's just moving Columbus Day's observance over or November or something).

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link

Really believe that a candidates who just says "corporations are not people, and hence have no protected rights", and promises to only nominate Judges who also doubt the court reporter comments on the 1886 Supreme Court case Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company that gave us corporate personhood, would claim much of Trump's angry voter base.

Sanpaku, Monday, 12 November 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link

Lol no

Οὖτις, Monday, 12 November 2018 19:49 (five years ago) link

The people that were angry enough to toss a grenade at DC labeled "Trump" aren't corporation fans.

If you believe that there should be immortal citizens that aren't subject to the criminal law as it applies to humans for murder, theft, pollution, and which should have unlimited ability to fund politics to favor their own issues, then I submit you aren't a Democrat.

Corporations are not people. They shouldn't be granted the rights of people. They should be granted charters and exist solely because they can benefit the economic welfare of real people. When they chose to harm the society that granted them life, we as society should revoke their charters. The death penalty. There are many corporations that have demonstrated contempt for the common good, and we the people need to kill them.

Sanpaku, Monday, 12 November 2018 20:05 (five years ago) link

if Democrats have done much of anything to roll back corporate personhood in my lifetime I've not heard about it

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 12 November 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link

My position is that you are fundamentally misreading the interests of Trump voters.

No disagreement re: corporate personhood

Οὖτις, Monday, 12 November 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link

Trump’s angry voter base is not guided by rationality, issues, positions, gas prices, the economy, or any other coherent interest. It is a tribal cult of personality driven by resentment and xenophobia and that is p much it.

Οὖτις, Monday, 12 November 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link

don't forget racism

sleeve, Monday, 12 November 2018 20:13 (five years ago) link

supersized portions of racism

sleeve, Monday, 12 November 2018 20:13 (five years ago) link

Delicious racism

Οὖτις, Monday, 12 November 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link

shakes otm

k3vin k., Monday, 12 November 2018 20:26 (five years ago) link

Corporate personhood is a concept created by the judiciary, and will only be abolished by the judiciary. Obama's supreme court nominees, most notably Elena Kagen, are on record for determining corporate personhood as an existential risk to democracy.

We need a generation of Democratic presidents, to nominate supreme court nominees who follow Elena Kagen's reasoning, before we can defeat the concept of corporate personhood.

Sanpaku, Monday, 12 November 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link

It's very nice to imagine we have that long

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 12 November 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link

meanwhile, in Oregon

Oregon voters just gave Democrats the gov's mansion & super majority in the legislature. The party's first order of business? Let Nike, Oregon's largest private employer & a notorious tax dodger, write tax the policy lawmakers will vote on next year. Bold https://t.co/J0wIY8yAs3

— Shane D. Kavanaugh (@shanedkavanaugh) November 12, 2018

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 12 November 2018 20:41 (five years ago) link

I truly do not care one iota for what life on earth is like in 5000 years

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 12 November 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link

I only care about that faintly, but I care very much what it's like in 50 and even 500

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 12 November 2018 20:50 (five years ago) link

oh dear, thanks for that heads up on Oregon, time to call ppl

sleeve, Monday, 12 November 2018 21:04 (five years ago) link

fuck Nike btw and I don't give a shit that Knight is "no longer involved"

sleeve, Monday, 12 November 2018 21:04 (five years ago) link

2020 primaries are going to be amazing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dr1XOPyU0AAy3AD.jpg

louise ck (milo z), Monday, 12 November 2018 22:35 (five years ago) link

was that really necessary

Οὖτις, Monday, 12 November 2018 22:39 (five years ago) link

lol Debra Messing RTd that with "This is everything"

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 00:02 (five years ago) link

livestock in the bedroom is only allowable when youre like a one room agrarian society imo

unproven (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 00:06 (five years ago) link

Silby: from an ethical perspective, the 7.6 billion living now and the < 2 billion living in 7000 AD have equal standing.

It's why the only civilization that has any hope of persisting makes "leave the world better than you found it" the first ethical commandment. And flays alive those that violate it.

Sanpaku, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 00:36 (five years ago) link

Utilitarianism is wrong actually

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 00:38 (five years ago) link

Take this elsewhere plz

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 00:49 (five years ago) link

That tweet is so stupid I just choked on my eyes rolling into the back of my head.

Yerac, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 00:53 (five years ago) link

Corporate personhood is a concept created by the judiciary, and will only be abolished by the judiciary.

Not strictly true -- when I was working for democracy reform we aimed at a constitutional amendment, which has picked up not insignificant approval at the state level in a number of places.

Common Cause and Represent.Us are both pursuing this state-based approach, following what they (imo shakily) insist is the model of the civil rights movement.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 01:30 (five years ago) link

5 minutes: aw yea
5 months: let's go
5 years: that's my shit
5 decades: now you're speaking my language
5 centuries: whoa boy let's not get ahead of ourselves
5 millennia: Galaxy brain

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 01:32 (five years ago) link

“I’m gonna take the table,” says @Ocasio2018, “because we are busting down the doors.” pic.twitter.com/tQ8IebKtBb

— Sunrise Movement 🌅 (@sunrisemvmt) November 13, 2018

swoon

j., Tuesday, 13 November 2018 02:23 (five years ago) link

5 millennia: my longest yeah boy ever

gbx, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 02:25 (five years ago) link

Meanwhile geologists are like "Hmph. Pikers."

Quantum of shoelace (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 04:23 (five years ago) link

spurs timetable for moving into new stadium iirc

unproven (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 08:43 (five years ago) link

this owns almost as much as watching scumbarnacles like ragnarok lobster meltdown over it

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/13/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-sunrise-activists-nancy-pelosi/

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:07 (five years ago) link

lol so glad I have no idea who that is

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:14 (five years ago) link

like, in ignorance, i don't really imagine pelosi seeing aoc's position here as a personal problem. maybe because i don't care if that's pelosi's take, or cuz aoc's position needs action, or cuz i am ok with both of them generally.

and yeah me neither, i was thinking the person raggy was having a "lobster meltdown," not raggy l having a normal meltdown.

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 18:17 (five years ago) link

ragnarok lobster is................................................very bad

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link

ragnarok lobster
ragnarok lobster

tweeter's tweetin'
socialist swattin'
left wing rippin'
keyboard tappin'

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link

ha i just saw other thread and twitter and pelosi did indeed react very much in my imagined character for her. xp

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link

otoh lobster meltdowns (with butter) are too too cruel but quite delicious.

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 18:30 (five years ago) link

checkin up on old rag lob led me to this, and wow folks it's such a bad tweet

Hi I’m the new sales rep. I haven’t sold shit ain’t hit nary a quota, but here let me walk in the corner office of the lady that buys a new BMW every quarter off the interest of her residuals and no not beg for her knowledge tell her how to sell. Holy shit.

— Sir Baba Adeptus Oracle of Civility (@brill_inst) November 13, 2018

gbx, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link

the wave emoji people (<--- this is twitter for angry centrists who think AOC is an all-talk bernie-in-WOC's clothing) are yelling that it was leaked last week that the select committee would be reestablished, that this was already pelosi's plan, that AOC is embarassing herself by not knowing this

obviously the idiots haven't followed quite closely enough to notice that along with 're-establish the select committee' there's also a draft resolution for its new mandate framed as exploration for a green jobs for all plan, and that's the real heart of the ask

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:05 (five years ago) link

oversimplification of your opponent's position is a prominent tool in the political toolbox.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:11 (five years ago) link

you should really change your DN to Captain Obvious

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link

you should calm the fuck down

21st savagery fox (m bison), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:42 (five years ago) link

I'm much better now that I have the new killfile script, thanks

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:24 (five years ago) link

^^ Chris Lehmann has a talent for scornful prosing. I know there's a place for that in political discourse, but it's a place full of enthusiasts who only want to hear someone who tells them how very right they are. I mean, yeah, good for them for being right, but doing right beats being right and Chris fails to reach for that conclusion, which kinda falls flat for me.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 04:04 (five years ago) link


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