p irate about some of this
― unproven (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link
http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/ad612d91-61dd-48cc-8cc8-32955db84313/cbfbeab4-f0a0-4fbe-b805-25424f1c85b7.gif
― rip van wanko, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 19:52 (five years ago) link
Big bushy beards will always be trendy in my community
― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link
I assume men wear beards either because of skin sensitivity to shaving, culture or because they have weak chins. Most beards look like they smell like a dog's cornchip feet, though.
They desire to work at a microbrewery
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 19:57 (five years ago) link
when the hair fell out of my head it also fell out of my face, which means no beards ever again
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link
in fact there's probably a trauma in this that i've yet to recognise
― calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
I honestly cannot remember the last time I used an actual razor to shave my face. At least a decade, for sure. The birds seem to enjoy it.
― Carl Perkins and the Gherkin Merkins (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
cant get enough of it, those bell-bottomed birds
― unproven (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:00 (five years ago) link
good write, sweet prints
― unproven (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:02 (five years ago) link
I meant the literal birds which nest in my forest of facial hair, in case I wasn't entirely clear.
― Carl Perkins and the Gherkin Merkins (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link
xp misthreaded that ffs
― unproven (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:04 (five years ago) link
Just trying one out here:
Hyper-politicization ("everything is political," or the politics of everyday life) is bad for the Left and benefits the Right in the end, and a narrower concept of the political would be a better way to go.
― ryan, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:09 (five years ago) link
Ditto and imo also true of “ostracize friends/family who vote Republican” which I think strikes most non radicals as cruel not principled.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:13 (five years ago) link
culture war shit is bad but making being conservative taboo is effective imo
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link
w/friends and family who vote republican but are not particularly going on about politics all the time, i can handle it.
i've had a couple friends who went completely infowars conspiracy theory bonkers/anti-trans/anti-BLM and that's all they talk about all the time, and i quietly vanished from their lives.
― omar little, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:18 (five years ago) link
pretty hard to ostracize such a large percentage of the population, because they'd have so much company they'd never notice they were excluded.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:19 (five years ago) link
everything is political because everything is political. Call it whatever you want but it's still political.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link
“making being conservative taboo is effective”Strong disagree here and worse I think the delusion that it’s true damages the left, I think most ppl find the ideology bullying, even when they agree with the ideology in principle, gross.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link
Part of being on the left is believing that everything you do or say or think somehow harms the left.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:23 (five years ago) link
alternatively, only politics is political.
― ryan, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:24 (five years ago) link
When someone's gender or color of their skin is weaponized against their humanity, then yeah, it's all political.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:25 (five years ago) link
“making being conservative taboo is effective”
Strong disagree here and worse I think the delusion that it’s true damages the left, I think most ppl find the ideology bullying, even when they agree with the ideology in principle, gross.
― Mordy, Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:21 PM (fifty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
works in scotland tbh. my grandad was pretty obviously a tory but would never come out and say it. their vote is creeping up now due to anxieties around scottish nationalism and the general pull of far-right british nationalism that fits in with the global thing, but after about 4 decades of the taboo being effective
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:26 (five years ago) link
only works were conservatives are in the minority obviously. if you live in palookavile, buttfuck then of course you can't shame the majority
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link
Also there is a difference conservatism and whatever this extreme right wing waiting for the rapture bullshit (or pretending you believe in it to cash in) that's going on right now.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
If the Democrats ever come under the thrall of hate mongering fanatics who are a-ok with the rest of the life on earth expiring before or shortly after they do, feel free to shun me for giving them my vote.
― Carl Perkins and the Gherkin Merkins (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:41 (five years ago) link
do i have to wait
― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:56 (five years ago) link
Part of being on the left is believing that everything you do or say or think somehow harms the left is vitally important and must fit a template
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 20:23 (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― unproven (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:40 (five years ago) link
hmm i believe i italicized instead of striking through
last words of mussolini iirc
xp I have a bigish beard because it looks good. When what looks good changes I'll get rid, I'm not dogmatic about it. I have no desire to work at a microbrewery.
― closed beta (NotEnough), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 09:43 (five years ago) link
I am sympathetic both to the burning rage ppl feel at how social niceties weaken political solidarity and allow awful shit to carry on, and also to the points that ppl need space to change and that the sense of moral superiority which is so useful for keeping motivation is also insufferable and often toxic and the interpersonal/inter-group level. most ppl think there are some views that aren't acceptable in their social circle, it's a question of how you handle the full spectrum of bad opinion. there are loads of social taboos already that ppl generally don't conceive of as bullying or cruel even though they ostracise and are largely inconsistent and often nonsensical.
I think fatalism tends to pull ppl away from the left & it's something the left struggles to do anything more productive than wag their finger at it. I am more sceptical than most of notions of responsibility and the importance & coherence of ppl's purported beliefs but if you truly believe representative democracy is some special case where everyone is absolved of responsibility and is totally unaccountable for all the shit they cause then you've lost all sense of the happy accident of your own insulation from the bulk of human problems.
also, ppl who announce their dislike of beards should be made to lick the streets clean before they are pushed into the pit.
― ogmor, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 09:58 (five years ago) link
I assume men wear beards either because of skin sensitivity to shaving, culture or because they have weak chins. Most beards look like they smell like a dog's cornchip feet, though.― Yerac, Tuesday, November 13, 2018 1:24 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Yerac, Tuesday, November 13, 2018 1:24 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
mine started as a spite beard, because i asked my roommate to do ONE thing around the house (fix the sink) and he didn't, so i grew a beard because i didn't want to do it and i wanted to visually remind him to fix it.
i ended up fixing the sink myself and my gf told me to keep the beard. i have kinda wanted to get rid of it for the past year+ but now i'm scared because i don't remember what my face looks like
― vote no on ilxit (Will M.), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 16:39 (five years ago) link
there are loads of social taboos already that ppl generally don't conceive of as bullying or cruel even though they ostracise and are largely inconsistent and often nonsensical.― ogmor, Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:58 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ogmor, Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:58 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
also, ppl who announce their dislike of beards should be made to lick the streets clean before they are pushed into the pit.― omor, Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:58 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― omor, Wednesday, November 14, 2018 1:58 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link
'Weak chin' is ideal fodder for plastic surgeons and should therefore be shamed out of the English language.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
it's interesting because in that phrase there's a whole world of connotations, like what the speaker thinks looks good or bad, what they consider deformed, unhealthy, and it's all boiled down to two words
but i've never considered what is the right size for a human chinny chin chin
good controp phrase!
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 17:06 (five years ago) link
I used it on purpose. I am such an asshole sometimes.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 17:07 (five years ago) link
Also, I feel like it's been in the vernacular a lot in recent years because of the trumps and the alt-right.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 17:08 (five years ago) link
Saying that Trump, for instance, has a weak chin (i.e.:
https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/unflattering-donald-trump-chin-photo-ps-battle-34.jpg
) is alright with me but in most other contexts it generally has the side effect of reinforcing an over-testosteroned conception of masculinity.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link
yeah, I get the circularness of it and great that you are perturbed for the right reason. Yet, I can't help being trollish towards men who generally never have had to deal with a culture set up to constantly critique their appearance.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 17:24 (five years ago) link
do you mean in terms of how they are portrayed in the media?
i mean, i honestly don't care and not offended (but i don't have a weak chin)
but i will say i think a lot of men bag on each other a lot and beat each other up since they start having friends, that's probably a big part of being a boy i would say
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 17:39 (five years ago) link
Also it’s a slow work day
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link
they are portrayed in the media = women?
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
uh men?
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
in most other contexts it generally has the side effect of reinforcing an over-testosteroned conception of masculinity.
The class aspect in the UK is kind of amusing.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chinless_wonder
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link
Interesting. Clinging to an oversized yet 'natural' sense of masculinity as a corrective to socioeconomic inferiority is a classic staple of working class culture.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link
i have kinda wanted to get rid of it for the past year+ but now i'm scared because i don't remember what my face looks like
when i shaved after having a full beard for a year or so, I was horrified. never again
― rip van wanko, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
Men who grow beards to look better because they have small/not defined/weak chins, jowls or even bad skin this is seen as ??? (curious, or is it the language of "weak" that is offputting).I mean, women modify/enhance their appearance all the time to hide what they perceive as flaws, for themselves, for whoever.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 18:17 (five years ago) link
xpost I once dated this hippie who had a big ass, bushy beard. I don't know why we shaved it one day (we were bored? I still have a pic of my roommate holding the razor). After that though, I couldn't look directly at him.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
I don't have bad skin or weak chin or jowls but it was like looking at a skinned cat or something. just couldn't deal
― rip van wanko, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
it's not my fault all my hair moved to my face when I went bald
The beard stays, YOU GO
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link
I couldn't look at him because it was all bright white skin, too big teeth, I thought I was dating a stranger.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link