Isn’t it just!? The way it intersects so many people’s lives, and time periods. It makes me so sad that the orginal bodies haven’t been identified - that memorial service really got to me. Also, of all the things, one I can’t stop thinking about is the whole idea of him killing one tiny daughter & keeping another alive. Like, he’s already clearly a fkn monster obv but that detail just fucks me up.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 06:52 (five years ago) link
Not sure if it’s been mentioned yet or if it’s technically considered true crime, but I’ve been enjoying The Dream, about MLMs/pyramid schemes.
― MrDasher, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:47 (five years ago) link
i have been meaning to check that out
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:14 (five years ago) link
Oooh we just started the dream last night - only got through one episode but I’m hooked already.
― just1n3, Thursday, 6 December 2018 05:52 (five years ago) link
I'm liking The Dream a lot. Related: The Grift podcast http://thegriftpodcast.com
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 6 December 2018 06:40 (five years ago) link
i am in love with the dream, just my favorite kind of stories
― forensic plumber (harbl), Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:06 (five years ago) link
i have subscribed so i can live the dream w all yall
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 8 December 2018 07:15 (five years ago) link
Loving the Dream so far. on ep 2 - man this whole town & her family sounds exactly like my hometown, every stay at home mum selling tupperware or throwing jewellery parties or cookware or clothing parties. my mum never did because she worked & thought it was “tacky”, but my sister quite a few girls i went to high school with were all up in that life.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 9 December 2018 02:39 (five years ago) link
When they were talking about the language used to convince ppl they can be sellers/recruiters too, it reminded of this Facebook msg I got back in 2015 from an old friend I hadn’t spoken with in years: “Hi Jussie! How are you? You look like your enjoying life and your dog is just gorgeous!! I'm contacting you because I've recently started a new business which is pretty exciting. I thought of you because you're always so positive and motivated! It may or may not be for you personally but you may know others that are looking for a new opportunity or just want a bit of extra cash. If you would like to know more, let me know and I'll send you through a 6 minute video that explains a bit more about the business. IN the meantime, enjoy the warm weather - we're freezing our butts off here!!! Speak soon! Emily x“
Now, we used to waitress together for a couple of years and were quite close, so the idea that she would truly believe for even a minute that I’m “positive and motivated” (two adjectives I’ve never heard used to describe me) is hilarious but also ridiculous and immediately clued me in that this was an MLM (she was involved with that aloe product company).
― just1n3, Sunday, 9 December 2018 22:49 (five years ago) link
Up and Vanished S2 is amazing
― calumy (rip van wanko), Friday, 15 February 2019 15:59 (five years ago) link
hippies are so awful it's like trying to solve a crime witnessed only by toddlers
― calumy (rip van wanko), Friday, 15 February 2019 16:48 (five years ago) link
Who the Hell is Hamish? podcast looks promising
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 15 February 2019 19:41 (five years ago) link
New wondery podcast Over My Dead Body is pretty good.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 February 2019 20:14 (five years ago) link
Obv this way more than true crime but Lorena docuseries in Amazon Prime is a must-watch. and in case you are wondering yes ~he~ is still a walking piece of human garbage & he will make you want to throw your tv out the windowbut Lorena herself is v inspiring and I cried through the whole 3rd episode
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 February 2019 20:43 (five years ago) link
I am addicted to Yeardley Smith’s “Small Town Dicks”.
Quite possibly my platonic ideal of a true crime show.Most of the details are relayed by the IRL small-town law enforcement who worked the crime, perhaps one of the two detectives Dan & Dave or their colleagues, interspersed with querying or clarifying questions from Yeardley or Zibby.
At times, it’s fuuuuucking brutal; like if Forensic Files was a podcast. These guys will spare no detail, & lay it all out in that very matter of fact way.
One thing I love is they occasionally talk to other involved people, like a victim’s mother, or the dispatcher . It’s usually really good & adds a lot of context to a case.
I dunno if it’s for everyone: but it’s DEF for me.
It’s SO rare that hosts are willing to take a backseat & let the stories be told to them. It’s impressive.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 24 February 2019 23:38 (five years ago) link
I unsubscribed from Sword & Scale years ago - had no idea the host was such a horrible person but am not surprised.https://www.tampabay.com/arts-entertainment/want-to-quit-your-job-and-start-a-true-crime-podcast-obscuras-host-did-it-20190703/
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 11 July 2019 21:37 (five years ago) link
yeah Sword & Scale turned me off years ago. Host is a grade-A douchebag.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 July 2019 04:35 (five years ago) link
Oh my bf has said a loootttt about Boudet, he is Not a Popular Man among the indie TC pod community.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 12 July 2019 04:52 (five years ago) link
"I Love You, Now Die" is extremely compelling
― Number None, Friday, 12 July 2019 06:30 (five years ago) link
Darknet Diaries has hit a streak of terrific episodes this year, but this one on the financial trader who dug the bunkers underneath his house in Bethesda is outstanding. I had no idea this was the same guy who set fire to hard drives at hacker cons.ttps://darknetdiaries.com/episode/39/
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 3 August 2019 20:53 (five years ago) link
Crimetown season two is outstanding
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 5 August 2019 01:35 (five years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Noida_double_murder_case
watched pt one of the hbo show, its not great just read the wiki if youre interested
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 20:10 (five years ago) link
god help me I started listening to Wondery’s Mysterious Mr Epstein podcast - it is v good, I really like Lindsey Graham (not that one) as a host, his American Scandal podcast is great.
anyhoo it’s creepy and gross and I cant stop listening...and Real Crime Profile has a crossover series of eps about it. You havent lived til you hear Jim Clemente lose his ~shit~ over the deal Acosta gave Epstein in 2008. I have never heard him so angry (& he is an angry man at the best of times)
Also Kim Goldman (sister of Ron Goldman) has a podcast about the OJ trial & she talks to everyone & it is v good. First ep is v sad, she talks to a lot of Ron’s friends etc. Highly recommend. c
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 21 November 2019 03:35 (four years ago) link
This is interesting:
https://newrepublic.com/article/155801/favorite-murder-problem
I think it would be hard to listen to MFM and get the sense that your trust in the police (as opposed to a handful of hero cops) should be greater but there’s something increasingly troubling about the way they, and the broader network, looks at justice. The strain of ‘why aren’t people locked up forever / why aren’t people executed’? has been there for a while but it was legit shocking to hear Kilgariff recently talk about a prisoner being murdered by other prisoners as a great piece of moral community justice.
The trend mentioned briefly in the article towards positioning the listener as detective and crowdsourcing investigations is even worse imo. Paul Jensen’s podcast on their network strikes me as deeply irresponsible and dangerous.
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Friday, 22 November 2019 13:55 (four years ago) link
In terms of fearmongering / copagands, TV procedurals are much worse than podcasts, though.
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Friday, 22 November 2019 13:58 (four years ago) link
I just binged the Teacher's Pet series. They actually had to take the podcast down in Australia! That's nuts.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 22 November 2019 14:42 (four years ago) link
legit shocking to hear Kilgariff recently talk about a prisoner being murdered by other prisoners as a great piece of moral community justice.
oh no, poor necrophiliac serial killer got what was coming.
― ☮ (peace, man), Friday, 22 November 2019 15:03 (four years ago) link
This has always bothered me about MFM. So much of true crime fandom is like this. It seems like the emphasis on identifying with and emphasizing with victims, in theory a good thing, is often shallow, self-indulgent, sanctimonious, and a way to avoid critical thinking or challenge. So are the usual lazy supposed explanations of why women love true crime. Also, true crime podcasts classifying themselves as “comedy” and endlessly repeating that they’re not experts and don’t do much research seems like something of a cop out at this point.Of course it’s nothing new or exclusive to podcasts.
― MrDasher, Friday, 22 November 2019 15:36 (four years ago) link
Xp, yes, if you think the death penalty should be outsourced to other criminals’ sense of justice, it’s great.
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Friday, 22 November 2019 15:40 (four years ago) link
i don’t disagree with the newrepublic piece in general. true crime fandom as a collective esp now that it’s so out in the open def has some tendencies that I don’t love & that make me uncomfortable. but my thing is, singling out MFM is lame. there’s a TON good thoughtful true crime podcasts with large followings that dont delve into comedy at all. MFM has been honest about their approach & their failings from the beginning. calling them out for things they arent doing and never intended to do is really just a great way for an intelligent writer to drag an easy target. All it does is make existing MFM fans more defensive and non MFM fans feel more smug.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 November 2019 02:43 (four years ago) link
MFM has such a big platform and large, vocal fan base. I don’t think disclaimers about their approach, limitations etc give them carte blanche or absolves them of all responsibility for what they say. It also seems to me that they and some of their fans are happy enough to claim to be feminist, socially aware, advocate for victims, take positions on issues etc -to the point of self-righteousness- but then deflect criticism by being “comedy”. There’s social responsibility but it’s also about quality-after a while listening to ignorance, standard issue knee-jerk reactions and cliches etc just isn’t that enjoyable. (Of course it’s even worse with some other podcasts which in addition to all that don’t have any of the good qualities of MFM. )I do think the article could have taken a broader approach. These problems have always existed in true crime, but true crime fandom has reached a really annoying point. That’s the nature fandom I guess but there’s certainly room for improvement.(Also, obviously that was meant to say empathizing not emphasizing in my post above.)
― MrDasher, Sunday, 24 November 2019 00:57 (four years ago) link
the netflix series on henry lee lucas is fascinating (much of it is abt arrogance corruption and uselessness in the texas rangers, and the politics surrounding pushback against his absurd claims)
― mark s, Monday, 30 December 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
the ITV recreation of the investigation into the white house farm murders in 1985v in essex: it was bungled initially -- police believed sheila, the daughter with a history of mental illness, had shot her adoptive parents and her two boys (twins, 6) and then herself. suspicion -- as of ep 3 -- is turning towards the adoptive son
― mark s, Saturday, 1 February 2020 18:40 (four years ago) link
Bamber used to regularly phone in to talk radio in the mid 90s, pretending to be someone else, and gradually bring conversation around to the innocence of Jeremy Bamber, until they cottoned on and cut him off.
― ShariVari, Saturday, 1 February 2020 19:29 (four years ago) link
Casefile is back with a new 2 hour episode on Azaria Chambers :D
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 15 February 2020 21:34 (four years ago) link
Am I the only one who watched the Atlanta Child Murders doc on HBO?
― Heez, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 16:18 (four years ago) link
I have it on my list to watch but I haven’t been in the right frame of mind yet...
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 16:26 (four years ago) link
It's really well done, but yes, so sad
― Heez, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 16:28 (four years ago) link
Particularly as someone who grew up just outside of Atlanta and never heard about the murders (until a few years ago). I read most of the James Baldwin playboy piece - this seemed to strike a familiar tone by the end.
― Heez, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 16:30 (four years ago) link
I'm four episodes into Forgotten: The Women of Juárez, and it's very very good but hfs grimdark. (and I thought I knew the story going into it)
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 07:18 (four years ago) link
Anyone else watching the NXIVM doc “The Vow” on HBO?First ep aired tonight, lot of inside footage & primary source material, bodes well so far
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 06:44 (four years ago) link
Episode 2 of “The Vow” went up last night. Watched at lunchtime. Crazy. introduces the really disturbing stuff, so all the almost-normal of the first ep gets put through the funhouse mirror & shit gets weird & bad. the ending of ep 2 was O_o it’s been impressive in its depth so far in opposite news, Class Action Park hbo doc about action park theme park in NJ attempts to be both a morbid/fun nostalgia trip and a true crime doc and imo it really needed to either pick a lane or be much more sensitive. Like, do I really have to say that you SHOULD NOT edit the voiceover of a comedian sort of wistfully saying that the 80’s were bad irl but when they’re drunk everyone who was there wil say that it was great —- over top of footage of the family of one of the park’s fatalities visiting his grave at the cemeterybad. idea.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 00:01 (four years ago) link
Oh and podcast wise:Casefile just put up a new episode about the Stephen Stayner case. I listened to the whole thing yesterday it’s v good but (obviously) so crushingly sad & awful
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 00:11 (four years ago) link
I've never heard of Action Park, but the wikipedia article dropped a little tidbit that Alice in Chains filmed an episode of Headbangers Ball there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwxEbYVxkIg
― peace, man, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 12:17 (four years ago) link
they used an AIC clip of Jerry & Layne in the documentary
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 15:11 (four years ago) link
I have been watching the Murder At White House Farm miniseries drama on HBO - 3 or ; eps in so far I only know a little of the case but something about the show itself feels off. I find it kinda boring? I think the switching focus between all the characters instead of staying w one or two dulls the momentum. Also Stephen Graham’s “welsh” accent is terrible. But I will keep watching
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link
3 or 4 eps in, that shouldve said
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:05 (three years ago) link
update: it is less boring once the girlfriend goes to the cops Accent Watch: in addition to Stephen Graham’s “Welsh”, Alfie Allen does an egregious “New Zealand” accentbut in terms of the real story, if the mini series is anything to go by, this Jamie Bamber was a twisted, manipulative & dare I say nasty piece of work.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 1 October 2020 03:20 (three years ago) link
VG have you listened to The Informer (second season of Trace) about Nicola Gobbo, the lawyer who was informing on Victoria’s underworld criminals? It was pretty intriguing.
― just1n3, Friday, 2 October 2020 03:59 (three years ago) link
whaaaaaaAAAAAAT?nobut i will immediately omg
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 2 October 2020 04:01 (three years ago) link
Jesus that is absolutely devastating.
― just1n3, Wednesday, 14 August 2024 21:57 (one month ago) link