.@Ocasio2018 makes me believe what Arundhati Roy said: “Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.” https://t.co/f2iGtT7T9V— Saikat Chakrabarti (@saikatc) December 5, 2018
Y'know it may go without saying that I'm generally an AOC fan, and this guy (her Chief of Staff) is smart and fine, but man starry eyed stuff like this from one's own staff, aside from putting a remarkable amount of pressure on anyone, just feels like such a bad look
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:28 (five years ago) link
yeah that's super cringeworthy
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:37 (five years ago) link
i don't see the problem with it? why not feel moved by the possibility that a better world is just over the horizon and that we can help bring it into being?
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
I think the problem is your paid employees saying stuff like that about you. It doesn't bug me that much but it doesn't seem strange to me to be bugged by it.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:15 (five years ago) link
i've never had any paid employees so i dunno but saying that i make them believe that a new world is on its way.... seems like not a big deal?
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link
or is the issue that you think it's unclear that "her" refers to the previous "she," which refers to "another world," and that all of that is within the quote from Roy?
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
this is why interns are traditionally not paid, so they can serve that function
― j., Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link
she's making a point of paying all staff iirc
idk I agree w HOOS that it's a bad look, esp given the media climate
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:26 (five years ago) link
Given climate change, hoping for a better world is a...big lift.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link
I think sticking boilerplate sub-Coldplay jangly guitar anthem music under a speech undercuts any substantive message, since it transmutates words, however inspiring, into similarly boilerplate Campaign-ese.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
also lemme say that arundhati roy quote has graced basically all my social media presences repeatedly over the years, i love it & it's not my primary concern
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 17:44 (five years ago) link
its more the 'my boss is gonna save us you guys' tone that grates for me
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link
piling on the expectations/hype for someone who is basically a promising rookie is short sighted imo
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
It's kind of a catch-22, isn't it? We don't want to overhype or deify politicians because they are after all, flawed people working within a broken system--but on the other hand personalities that inspire this level of admiration are one of the major things that gets people excited about politics & drives voter engagement.
― days of being riled (zchyrs), Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link
clearly what he shd have posted is "listening to AOC makes me believe that very little is possible and we should all give up now"
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
C'mon Doc I'm an inspiration merchant I sympathize but
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:25 (five years ago) link
I didn't think "don't paint yr public-servant boss like a messianic prophet" would be a controversial principle but here we are
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
I think AOC has potential to be a pretty significant force in the democratic party, but getting peoples' hopes up about her actually achieving anything in the near future is only gonna disillusion them. unless all they want from her is to own ppl on twitter, in that case, anything is possible.
― iatee, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
i do think the goosing her spotlight has given the green new deal is both uniquely possible because of who she is and has already irrevocably changed american climate politics
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:48 (five years ago) link
she's arguably done more for climate issues than any other Dem pol in the last 30 years and she's not even seated yet
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
that is a demonstrable falsheood
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
falsehood
Pelosi passed bills and Obama issued significant rules and treaty commitments
so far her accomplishments are zero, let's be real. she's hitting the ground running and that's great but come on.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
"messianic prophet" ? she makes him believe a better world is achievable. isn't that a basic assumption of anybody advancing a progressive agenda? "progress" and all?and it's not like he said "AOC makes me believe only she can bring a better world." i know we're all cynics here but imo "this politician inspires me" is not in and of itself a dangerous or doomed-to-fail notion.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
― frogbs, Thursday, December 6, 2018 1
oh come now
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
the only people who care about sub coldplay music paired with an arundhati roy quote are posting in this thread fwiw
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:04 (five years ago) link
sorry just trying to make up for my "left wing Tomi Lahren" comment
hope we're even now
(that said I really like the idea of 30-ish congresspeople taking up the issue rather than someone like Pelosi)
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:04 (five years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, December 6, 2018 6:58 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
her accomplishments aren't heroically epic, being not yet seated, but they're not zero either
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link
the way she's denaturalized the politics of how congress pays its staff & interns, the way she's directed her star power to raise the profile of issues & approaches that themselves have been off the table for serious discussion --that's not nothing
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:25 (five years ago) link
I for one am mainly enjoying these little glimpses into just how insane/inane Washington political orthodoxy is
Right now Freshman members of Congress are at a “Bipartisan” orientation w/ briefings on issues.Invited panelists offer insights to inform new Congressmembers‘ views as they prepare to legislate. # of Corporate CEOs we’ve listened to here: 4# of Labor leaders: 0— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) December 6, 2018
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
yeah I really like that she's lifting the curtain on some of this stuff that people never talk about
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
yup yup
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
agreed, good stuff
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
I have no idea whether the Green New Deal will result in a federal climate law two or five or 10 years from now. The proposal clearly has momentum on the left. Since early November, I’ve seen the Green New Deal talked about as a story of Democrats in disarray, or as another example of the party’s turn toward socialism. Both analyses miss the mark. The Green New Deal is one of the most interesting—and strategic—left-wing policy interventions from the Democratic Party in years.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/12/ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal-winning-climate-strategy/576514/?fbclid=IwAR3jKPtZ-aU6c9ZbUWOJ1dH2YfvWiPLNb3zFbV9kZn27Pj3ExZejph9831U
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:54 (five years ago) link
AOC in congress is already more than I hoped for and she's not even in congress yet.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:02 (five years ago) link
ditto
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link
joe manchin, ladies & gents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJORBRpOPM
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
reminds me of this classic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
Green New Deal is a jobs program. Climate change won't be solved by solar rooftops in the 'hood. Maybe once we're screaming past 2° C in the 40s we'll get the universal and high carbon price (with mandatory tariffs against noncompliant nations/cheaters) that might actually rein in emissions.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link
There isnt even a bill yet, how do u know whats in it
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:31 (five years ago) link
On a train to Philly on Monday I sat next to this guy who was talking on the phone about the Green New Deal and that it was "PR, not policy" and that they needed to come up with a sustainable policy that both sides could agree on and that he didn't have Pelosi's ear. I am dying to figure out who he was. I couldn't covertly read his laptop. All I know is that he has a daughter named Lily who was in trouble with her school for giving an exam or answers to another student (I also heard this conversation).
― Yerac, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:34 (five years ago) link
how do u know whats in it
Interview with Greg Carlock, lead author
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:55 (five years ago) link
unless all they want from her is to own ppl on twitter,
Tbf, that's the only thing Trump is good at, and he's nominally president.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:01 (five years ago) link
when was the last time he convincingly owned anyone on twitter?
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:02 (five years ago) link
Well, I'm not convinced! But given we all hate him but still know all his catchphrases, nicknames, insults and putdowns - probably dozens at this point - he must be doing something right, even if we don't like it.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link
i don't remember any of his nicknames beyond "pocahontas"
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:08 (five years ago) link
they're all interchangeable adjectives
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:09 (five years ago) link
that seemed to pour out indiscriminately from his almost entirely liquefied brain
Little Marco was good
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:16 (five years ago) link