with Eric and Flappy Bird for the most part, KoC is def leagues ahead of Raging Bull
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 January 2019 16:54 (five years ago) link
altho I would kinda rank Goodfellas/Taxi Driver/KoC all together tbh
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 January 2019 16:55 (five years ago) link
rewatched After Hours a little while ago, now *there's* an outlier in his ouevre imo, such a great little weird movie
yeah totally, one of the better "stuck in a dream/nightmare" movies I've seen.
also Hadrian I'm with you on Silence, that one blew me away. masterpiece in spite of Andrew Garfield
― flappy bird, Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:09 (five years ago) link
I liked Silence way more than I expected to, need to rewatch. I found it a bit inscrutable (not a bad thing)
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:10 (five years ago) link
Adam Driver is so good in it, it's a drag he disappears after an hour or so. it's a great example of his abilities next to Garfield - Driver can change his face, the way he looks, without severe prosthetics or makeup. Andrew Garfield always looks and sounds like... Andrew Garfield.
one of Ebert's weirdest & most conservative opinions was that Scorsese made the best film of the decade in the 70s, 80s, and 90s with Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, and Goodfellas. Give me a break... I prefer The Departed to Goodfellas.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:14 (five years ago) link
Give me a break... I prefer The Departed to Goodfellas
this is a bad opinion
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:16 (five years ago) link
haha yeah the Departed, while still entertaining, is bloated and silly and often outright stupid and also features sweaty bigface, who is just unbearable to watch.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:21 (five years ago) link
I always thought Goodfellas was inexplicably overrated. it's good, it's entertaining, but Ray Liotta bugs me, and I just don't understand the ott love for it. The Departed is solidly second tier, more entertaining, darker & more fucked up, and engrossing in a way that Goodfellas isn't for me. Goodfellas always struck me as kinda corny.
been waiting for a night when I have the time to watch CASINO. what does everyone think of that one
― flappy bird, Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:25 (five years ago) link
The Departed is a blast but Goodfellas is better in every conceivable way but I’m not going to argue that further. KOC is great obv, upper third of Scorsese flicks
― omar little, Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:25 (five years ago) link
I've warmed to Casino over the years, initially I found Sharon Stone's whole role really misogynistic and grating but really everybody in the movie is a fucking horrible monster so
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link
King of Comedy is great, but count me among the boring Taxi Driver/Raging Bull/Goodfellas/Mean Streets contingent. It'd be interesting to put that to the test with a Scorsese poll--a ranked poll, not a click-poll--but I suppose there's been so much Scorsese commentary on here over the years, there'd be no point. From the last few days' worth of comments, my guess is it would still be Taxi Driver and Goodfellas at the top, King of Comedy a close third, Raging Bull and Mean Streets (which nobody even seems to mention anymore) well behind, probably with other films ahead of them.
― clemenza, Thursday, 3 January 2019 18:44 (five years ago) link
I saw Mean Streets for the first time last year and was disappointed, felt like a rough sketch at best and juvenilia at worst.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 3 January 2019 18:47 (five years ago) link
Ouch.
― clemenza, Thursday, 3 January 2019 18:48 (five years ago) link
DD Disappointed Tom D
― Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Thursday, 3 January 2019 18:52 (five years ago) link
DeNiro became so skilled at playing tightly wound, simmering types that Mean Streets is kind of an outlier in what a live wire character he portrays. I still love that back room conversation between him and Keitel, and the pool hall fight scene (which is actually stolen by the supporting characters imo.) It's better on subsequent viewings, I saw it when I was younger and it felt half-formed, but later viewings revealed a lot.
Romanus and Proval are outstanding, too; Proval in particular. As far as I know he didn't do much of note between Mean Streets and his role as Richie Aprile in The Sopranos. He was so good in the latter, casting people must have been sleeping on him.
― omar little, Thursday, 3 January 2019 18:56 (five years ago) link
Casino btw is pretty astonishing, it received unfair flak for being a Goodfellas ripoff but it's such a different vibe. The characters are more desiccated and empty, Goodfellas felt at times like a classic '30s/'40s comedy mixed in with a vicious gangster film, w/unrepentant yet likable characters, Casino is an ugly, horrifying tragedy. Assuming it was brought up because it hasn't been seen, all I'll say is that there's a scene near the end which is probably one of the most terrifying, nightmarish things I've seen in cinema.
― omar little, Thursday, 3 January 2019 19:02 (five years ago) link
omar otm re: Casino. Some days I prefer it to Goodfellas -- it feels like Scorsese is fully aware he's doing another Goodfellas, but he's trying to see just how far he can take that kind of story, in every way.
And as great as the music cues were in Goodfellas, stretches of wall-to-wall music in Casino are masterful, as are little things like the "Toad" solo fading in and out, and only using "Go Your Own Way" for a few seconds.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 3 January 2019 19:10 (five years ago) link
Casino suffers from too many narrators syndrome.
I don't usually love Ray Liotta, but I think he's great in Goodfellas precisely because he's not afraid to put his character's flaws front and center. He doesn't play it too cool, he's not an anti-hero, he's a shithead who managed to be a big shot for a little while.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 3 January 2019 19:12 (five years ago) link
King of Comedy is great, but count me among the boring Taxi Driver/Raging Bull/Goodfellas/Mean Streets contingent.
I had little doubt on this point.
― love craptually (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 January 2019 19:12 (five years ago) link
I would never argue that TKoC is "clearly superior" to Raging Bull and Goodfellas. It is if you're wired like me.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 January 2019 19:13 (five years ago) link
If you think of Mean Streets as little more than a rough sketch, stay clear of Who's That Knocking at My Door--which has at least one scene, the one with "El Watusi," I consider as great as almost anything Scorsese went on to do.
― clemenza, Thursday, 3 January 2019 19:23 (five years ago) link
Taxi Driver and King of Comedy are kind of a double A side
― flappy bird, Friday, 4 January 2019 05:17 (five years ago) link
And now I want to see Mean Streets, but I only have ten minutes before I go to work
― Mark G, Friday, 4 January 2019 07:55 (five years ago) link
Lewis told GQ, “Originally my name in the script was Robert Langford, I said, ‘Marty! We’re going to be shooting in New York. Do yourself a favor and call him Jerry Langford.’ He said, ‘Why?’ “Because everywhere we go in New York, your construction workers and cab drivers will validate that it’s Jerry.”
https://cinephiliabeyond.org/the-king-of-comedy/
― ... (Eazy), Saturday, 16 March 2019 22:39 (five years ago) link
Screened Ingrid Goes West last night...strong KoC vibes in that one.
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 15:21 (five years ago) link
saw this for the first time last night. it’s an astonishing film, almost can’t believe scorsese made it. de niro has played sociopaths well before but he’s just so perfect here, class acting all around actually. and having seen UNCUT GEMS first, it almost anticipates that film — I was expecting rupert to get shot between the eyes as soon as his bit finished airing in the bar.
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 14 July 2020 02:24 (four years ago) link
Phoned a longtime friend today and--long story--had to make sure it was actually him I was talking to.
"What do we call our second cameraman?"
It was him.
― clemenza, Thursday, 11 March 2021 21:49 (three years ago) link
Laraine Newman says she auditioned for the Sandra Bernhard role. Had to sit on De Niro's lap and coo at him. It didn't work out.
― Josefa, Friday, 12 March 2021 00:59 (three years ago) link
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS_gQd8UB-hJtGDAPKjbY2CM-nGgVtBZw
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 15 December 2021 20:43 (two years ago) link
Oops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z37uV6nIgmQ
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 15 December 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link
I guess the greatness of The King of Comedy is supposed to be that it is brilliant because it's entirely cringy and off-putting. All I can say is ugh. It is my least favorite Scorsese film
― Dan S, Thursday, 22 June 2023 23:48 (one year ago) link
Next thing you will be telling us is that you don’t like Andy Kaufman.
― Holly Godarkbloom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 22 June 2023 23:50 (one year ago) link
Andy Kaufman was great
― Dan S, Thursday, 22 June 2023 23:54 (one year ago) link
:)
― Holly Godarkbloom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 22 June 2023 23:54 (one year ago) link
Agreed that this is Scorsese's best. It's certainly the one that's most stuck with me in the years since I saw it.
"You should only get cancer, I hope you get cancer!"
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 23 June 2023 00:05 (one year ago) link
I think it's a great film too, one of Scorsese's best. IIRC John Huston was really put off initially but came around to it when he realized it was confronting a lot of uncomfortable truths that public Hollywood figures like himself usually try to ignore - that a lot of aspiring filmmakers, actors, etc. who want to make it in Hollywood are attracted to fame just like a zealous fan. And as good as All About Eve may be, King of Comedy comes closer to how ugly, deranged and pathetic that attraction can be.
― birdistheword, Friday, 23 June 2023 00:49 (one year ago) link
^good post
― Johnny Bit Rot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 23 June 2023 01:01 (one year ago) link
All I can say is ugh. It is my least favorite Scorsese film
You daffy bastard.
― Renaissance of the Celtic Trumpet (Tom D.), Friday, 23 June 2023 06:38 (one year ago) link
I didn’t know he was Welsh.
― Johnny Bit Rot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 23 June 2023 06:44 (one year ago) link
That would be Taffy. 0:53.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjAfhTsxVyo
― Renaissance of the Celtic Trumpet (Tom D.), Friday, 23 June 2023 09:07 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I know
― Johnny Bit Rot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 23 June 2023 10:13 (one year ago) link